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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by darknavi »

golergka wrote: post #19
datameta wrote: post #15

If it walks like terrorism, and quacks like terrorism... I struggle to understand how they're imagining they're obviating the optics of this, unless they don't care what the dissenting population in Israel thinks (or the world for that matter) until "it is done".

Can you explain how ultra targeted, small explosive charges quack terrorism? I have been reading comments like this yesterday, and I'm completely bewildered as to how any sane person could come to this conclusion. Did you consider the US operation to take down Bin Laden an act of terrorism too?

> ultra targeted

How positive are we that by standards didn't get the same batch of devices?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by tecleandor »

blackhawkC17 wrote: post #11

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> The death toll rose to 12, including two children, Lebanese Health Minister Firass Abiad said on Wednesday. Tuesday's attack wounded nearly 3,000 people, including many of the militant group's fighters and Iran's envoy to Beirut.

The cost and years in the making of this through a shell company in Hungary, and also putting a random (and probably innocent) Taiwanese company in the target, for just killing 12 people including two children... Doesn't look like galaxy brain to me either.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by Jordanpomeroy »

I have to admit that, as a hack, the amount of planning, technical integration, and apparently flawless execution must have required an awesome amount of effort by very intelligent people.

As a human being though, this is revolting. A new avenue of mass destruction. I sure hope I am never around someone a Mossad-like organization wants to kill.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by goldcd »

tptacek wrote: post #5
gherard5555 wrote: post #4

If i understood correctly they were rigged with explosive. There is no way that a regular battery would explode like this right ?

Yes. There's sourcing for the first attack that Israel implanted daughterboards of some sort with small (30g?) amounts of explosive. The battery may have been involved with the triggering, but it wasn't a battery explosion.

But if you wanted to put 30g of explosive into a device, you wouldn't just want it sat there looking out of place to any curious person with a screw-driver. My guess is that you'd want to put it inside a component like say a LiPo pouch that looks like it belongs there. Half-battery, half-explosive - and maybe hijack the BMS components to also allow it to be triggered.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by Workaccount2 »

tptacek wrote: post #8

Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by datameta »

golergka wrote: post #19
datameta wrote: post #15

If it walks like terrorism, and quacks like terrorism... I struggle to understand how they're imagining they're obviating the optics of this, unless they don't care what the dissenting population in Israel thinks (or the world for that matter) until "it is done".

Can you explain how ultra targeted, small explosive charges quack terrorism? I have been reading comments like this yesterday, and I'm completely bewildered as to how any sane person could come to this conclusion. Did you consider the US operation to take down Bin Laden an act of terrorism too?

Can you imagine being in a supermarket and detonations go off dropping people? At least 8 children have died in the pager attack.

The US did not detonate personal devices using a supply-chain infiltration, I am specifically talking about this tactic. If you feel the need to bring another conflict into this, you don't think you have an argument to stand on. Imagine this was Hezbollah detonating hundreds or thousands of devices in Israel?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by golergka »

morwanger wrote: post #20
golergka wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain how ultra targeted, small explosive charges quack terrorism? I have been reading comments like this yesterday, and I'm completely bewildered as to how any sane person could come to this conclusion. Did you consider the US operation to take down Bin Laden an act of terrorism too?

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This is war. Any hostile action in armed conflict can, and will, have collateral damage to the innocent. Acts of terror and war crimes are determined by who is targeted, what precautions are taken to minimise collateral damage, and how significant is the military target compared to expected collateral damage.

If you don't want to kill any innocent civilians, your only course of action is not to offer any resistance to people who attack you and surrender.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by Qem »

The original pager attack was triggered in the anniversary of World War II hero Folke Bernadotte assassination by Zionists, on September 17. See https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-...

I wonder if this was meaningful choice, or just a coincidence.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by miohtama »

tptacek wrote: post #8

Saying this "further heightened tensions" between Israel and Hezbollah is like saying Jason "further heightened tensions" with the campers at Camp Crystal Lake. Can you imagine what must be like to be a rank-and-file Hezbollah soldier at this point? What the fuck is going to happen tomorrow? I'd throw away my socks.

I know HN is not a place for political commentary, but why Israel would do it now when everyone tries to make them de-escalate?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Post by tptacek »

goldcd wrote: post #24
tptacek wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There's sourcing for the first attack that Israel implanted daughterboards of some sort with small (30g?) amounts of explosive. The battery may have been involved with the triggering, but it wasn't a battery explosion.

But if you wanted to put 30g of explosive into a device, you wouldn't just want it sat there looking out of place to any curious person with a screw-driver. My guess is that you'd want to put it inside a component like say a LiPo pouch that looks like it belongs there. Half-battery, half-explosive - and maybe hijack the BMS components to also allow it to be triggered.

My understanding is that they were extremely well concealed, and would have been difficult to detect with simple internal visual inspection.
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