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Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#21

The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was. During the prototype phase: "June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull." "October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M." On…

“Move fast and break things”

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#22

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"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…

Too late to save the word "gaslight", that one has well and truly been rewritten to mean "lying to me".

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#23
post #21

The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was. During the prototype phase: "June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull." "October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M." On…

“Move fast and break things”

Or, in this case, move fast and implode things :(

I wonder if any of the (paying!) passengers who were on board would have taken the risk if they would have had a chance to see this list...

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…

Too late to save the word "gaslight", that one has well and truly been rewritten to mean "lying to me".

Not too late by a long shot. Just keep insisting on the actual meaning; same for "terrorist", "facist", etc.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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>>> they never knew their margins and were never able to validate their models to reality The fact they knew this and went ahead anyways and took six people to their graves with them is absolutely terrifying.

"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

A sociopath would certainly have knowingly put other people's lives at risk, but would never put his own life at risk knowingly. As sibling said, Stockton wasn't a sociopath, just a fool.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.

>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…

It's just part of internet slang. Everyone who does something people don't like is a sociopath. You are of course totally right.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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post #21

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“Move fast and break things”

Or, in this case, move fast and implode things :( I wonder if any of the (paying!) passengers who were on board would have taken the risk if they would have had a chance to see this list...

Cigarette packs in my country have huge wearing labels that say they'll kill you and feature gross photos of various illnesses it causes and people still smoke like the Hogwarts Express. So no, it wouldn't discourage everyone from engaging in extreme life threatening activities.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

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It's interesting to note how an animation was developed in the course of this investigation. I know the Chemical Safety Board does similar animations for industrial accidents. [1] [1] https://www.csb.gov/videos/

Super interesting videos thanks.

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#29

The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was. During the prototype phase: "June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull." "October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M." On…

> forward dome fell off during recovery

Was it made out of cardboard or cardboard derivatives??

Re: Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation

#30
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, in this case, move fast and implode things :( I wonder if any of the (paying!) passengers who were on board would have taken the risk if they would have had a chance to see this list...

Cigarette packs in my country have huge wearing labels that say they'll kill you and feature gross photos of various illnesses it causes and people still smoke like the Hogwarts Express. So no, it wouldn't discourage everyone from engaging in extreme life threatening activities.

Some people do dumb things, but that doesn’t mean everyone on that trip would have made the same decision given more information.
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