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Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by dist-epoch »

nulld3v wrote: post #18
dist-epoch wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been saying that for more than 10 years now, since the TPM was introduced. Yet you can still install Linux on PCs sold with Windows, you can still install third party software on Windows not from a Store, you can still watch pirated movies downloaded from torrents. You can even run an unregistered/unpaid version of Windows if you don't mind that it will not let you change the desktop background image.

Or you can recognize that app/game developers are starting to require Secure Boot enforcement if you want to continue to use their apps or play their games. RIOT requires users to enable TPM-enforced Secure Boot starting with Windows 11 to play Valorant: https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/100...

Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that. The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by heraldgeezer »

dist-epoch wrote: post #21
nulld3v wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can recognize that app/game developers are starting to require Secure Boot enforcement if you want to continue to use their apps or play their games. RIOT requires users to enable TPM-enforced Secure Boot starting with Windows 11 to play Valorant: https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/100...

Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that. The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

But it allows Windows 10 without TPM.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by doubled112 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #20
doubled112 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that do for me to stop malware? Bitlocker is only protecting an offline system Also consider that some keys for Secure Boot have been compromised.

So I guess then your computer does not have a form of Secure Boot enabled, and your drives are not encrypted. Makes sense, more secure.

I’m using Linux and LUKS but have never been convinced Secure Boot adds anything for me. It does sometimes add extra steps though, or block a driver from loading.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by 1oooqooq »

criddell wrote: post #12
heraldgeezer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>does anyone still believe that Pluton, also copy-pasted from the Xbox, is about end user security? I never did. The worst part is explaining it to people drinking the MS coolaid. I'm an MS admin so people at work love Win11, Intune etc all that max lockdown shit. To me that's not what Windows is about, for me Windows is excellent because of the admin tools and backwards compatibility. But hey that's just me. Proton…

Another TPM thing? What problem do you have with the TPM?

TPM end game is to have identity tied to a device on pcs, just like the monopolies already have on Android and IOS.

you know how google and apple dropped actual totp 2nd factor for their own accounts and force you to sign on another device to confirm signing on new devices? same thing.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by tpxl »

dist-epoch wrote: post #21
nulld3v wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can recognize that app/game developers are starting to require Secure Boot enforcement if you want to continue to use their apps or play their games. RIOT requires users to enable TPM-enforced Secure Boot starting with Windows 11 to play Valorant: https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/100...

Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that. The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

Gamers arent demanding this. There are tons of ways to detect cheaters, the most effective one being human moderation. But no, companies wont do MaNuAl WoRk because it doesnt sCaLe, even though they have more than enough cash in the bank.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by dist-epoch »

doubled112 wrote: post #23
dist-epoch wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I guess then your computer does not have a form of Secure Boot enabled, and your drives are not encrypted. Makes sense, more secure.

I’m using Linux and LUKS but have never been convinced Secure Boot adds anything for me. It does sometimes add extra steps though, or block a driver from loading.

> What does that do for me to stop malware? Bitlocker is only protecting an offline system

LUKS also only protects an online system. So why are you using it?

Oh, I think I know, if you are on Windows it's bad to use BitLocker because it's made by Microsoft and it doesn't protect against malware, but if you're on Linux of course you use LUKS, it's a sensible thing to do. Got it.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by [deleted] »

dist-epoch wrote: post #21
nulld3v wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can recognize that app/game developers are starting to require Secure Boot enforcement if you want to continue to use their apps or play their games. RIOT requires users to enable TPM-enforced Secure Boot starting with Windows 11 to play Valorant: https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/100...

Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that. The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

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Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by exe34 »

dgellow wrote: post #8
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #5

After reading the article, and specially the remarks about this engine being copy-pasted from the Xbox DRM engine , does anyone still believe that Pluton, also copy-pasted from the Xbox, is about end user security? And not totally about MS finally having enforceable DRM on PCs? Oh and by the way Pluton is now on the latest batch of Intel laptop chips. And has been on AMDs for a while. How soon until Windows requires…

I may be naive, but I still do. Skepticism is warranted, yet outright dismissal based on conjecture is its own brand of fallacious reasoning. Can Microsoft potentially benefit? Certainly. But that doesn't negate the possibility of genuine user security motivations and benefits for end users

> Can Microsoft potentially benefit? Certainly. But that doesn't negate the possibility of genuine user security motivations and benefits for end users

it's important to ask which one of the motivations will allow them to lock users down and ask for ongoing rent. one of these two will, and that's what will always drive the decision.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by croes »

dist-epoch wrote: post #26
doubled112 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m using Linux and LUKS but have never been convinced Secure Boot adds anything for me. It does sometimes add extra steps though, or block a driver from loading.

> What does that do for me to stop malware? Bitlocker is only protecting an offline system LUKS also only protects an online system. So why are you using it? Oh, I think I know, if you are on Windows it's bad to use BitLocker because it's made by Microsoft and it doesn't protect against malware, but if you're on Linux of course you use LUKS, it's a sensible thing to do. Got it.

The point is Linux doesn't enforce useless hardware that on top could be used against the user.

Same with MS's recall feature.

A Windows PC is just C but not P anymore.

Re: Keyhole – Forge own Windows Store licenses

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Post by choo-t »

dist-epoch wrote: post #21
nulld3v wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can recognize that app/game developers are starting to require Secure Boot enforcement if you want to continue to use their apps or play their games. RIOT requires users to enable TPM-enforced Secure Boot starting with Windows 11 to play Valorant: https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/100...

Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that. The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

> Let me tell you a secret: it's because the gamers are demanding that.

Citation needed.

Whose these gamers ? I surely didn't ask for this neither any of the gamers I know, nor seen any demand about that in gaming forums.

> The game companies couldn't care less if there are cheaters in the game, but it's the players which put huge pressure on the game companies to detect and ban cheaters.

The jump from this to "requiring TPM" is quite a long one.

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