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Tell HN: Modern software engineering is ridiculous

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Re: Tell HN: Modern software engineering is ridiculous

#21
This screed reads like someone who doesn't do testing. Or who only does end-to-end tests.

With both decent testing and decent monitoring/logging/o11y at each layer, no one should ever have to debug the whole stack at once and can instead focus on the layer with the problem.

I wish we could put the old days of having a tightly-coupled stack of untested cruft behind us.

Re: Tell HN: Modern software engineering is ridiculous

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post #21

This screed reads like someone who doesn't do testing. Or who only does end-to-end tests. With both decent testing and decent monitoring/logging/o11y at each layer, no one should ever have to debug the whole stack at once and can instead focus on the layer with the problem. I wish we could put the old days of having a tightly-coupled stack of untested cruft behind us.

> This screed reads like someone who doesn't do testing. Or who only does end-to-end tests.

this response reads like someone who's never worked in any size organization

even with testing I've seen all sorts of organizations mess it up, the tests become a negative cause they're not even used properly and just optimizing for "coverage"

Re: Tell HN: Modern software engineering is ridiculous

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Amen! The funny thing is this sounds like a “get off my lawn!” rant, and yet it’s so true if you’ve been around long enough to have seen a few tech cycles. But this also only seems to matter if you are NOT in a “move fast and break stuff” environment.

I agree. I also think the "move fast and break stuff" mindset is one of the worst things to happen in the industry.

> "move fast and break stuff"

But it makes me wonder how people have time to invent all this shit when they need to move fast. Learning a new stack every 2 years doesn't seem like moving as fast as you could.

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