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How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

carom wrote: post #10
pavlov wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…

I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.

doesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by rwmalk »

hiddencost wrote: post #14
Jupital wrote: post #8

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The research is pretty overwhelming. Immigrants contribute much more than they take, and the increase in prosperity benefits everyone. You should actually sit down and study the topic, because your belief system is terrifying in its ignorance.

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by waciki »

the_real_cher wrote: post #19
pavlov wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…

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> If an immigrant didn't start the company a legacy American like Mark Cuban or Gates would have.

Or somebody in another country?

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by the_real_cher »

cherryteastain wrote: post #16
carom wrote: post #5

>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…

> Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers...because they are working without permission This is the real problem. The Indian PhD grad on a H1B won't create the kinds of problems in the article. Media loves to put H1B/L1/EB1/EB2 holders with random people walking in via Mexico and doing odd jobs for cash in hand in the same category when their economic impact could not be more different.

Their economic impact is to deprive opportunities from Americans just like the people walking in from Mexico.

There is a strong equivalency there.

More people graduated in computer science in the United States in the last few years than ever before and they can't find jobs.

Doesn't it beg the question...if they're so good for the economy in America why aren't they good for the economy in their own country?

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by varjag »

yunohn wrote: post #20
pavlov wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…

> the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close. Is this an actual immigration path that still remains open? I find it hard to believe.

No not really. Maybe in Ellis Island days.

Most born Americans certainly have no fainest clue how hard it is to legally immigrate to the USA already.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by realjhol »

hiddencost wrote: post #14
Jupital wrote: post #8

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The research is pretty overwhelming. Immigrants contribute much more than they take, and the increase in prosperity benefits everyone. You should actually sit down and study the topic, because your belief system is terrifying in its ignorance.

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by biorach »

ajkdhg wrote: post #12
carom wrote: post #5

>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…

Yes, it distorts wages as a function of supply and demand. Workers cannot bargain, because corporations simply import new people. In the EU it is done by both importing people and extending the EU eastwards. The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.

> The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.

This is, on the whole, bullshit.

Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

hiddencost wrote: post #14
Jupital wrote: post #8

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The research is pretty overwhelming. Immigrants contribute much more than they take, and the increase in prosperity benefits everyone. You should actually sit down and study the topic, because your belief system is terrifying in its ignorance.

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Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force

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Post by Jupital »

iknowstuff wrote: post #18
Jupital wrote: post #8

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Would you be okay with highly skilled immigrants then? Or would large amounts of them (us) piss you off as well? I consider the fact that anyone can come to America and become American regardless of ethnicity actually amazing. Fuck nation states where you need to look a certain way to be considered as one of them.

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