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Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #20

No, there’s not. The evolutionary process is pretty adept at rigorously excluding most personality and physical variants out of all the available options. Pretending otherwise is naive ahistorical nonsense.

But is that not a place? Our civilization has become infinite… “all the available options” is an enormous category that in some societies does include quite literally everyone.

(I suggest reading the piece – the author deals with whether or not the underlying hypothesis is true versus useful early on.)

Re: There's a place for everyone

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I'm not sure the author captures it perfectly, however...

There is a lake in the U.S. that crosses the borders of Idaho and Utah. On summer weekends, you'll see the Bear Lake Burger Boat trolling the waters. Swim or float up to it, and they'll give you a delicious hamburger.

I'm glad whoever runs it has found a fit in this world. I'm sure it's not what most of us on Hacker News would choose to do, but I am glad someone does.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #20

No, there’s not. The evolutionary process is pretty adept at rigorously excluding most personality and physical variants out of all the available options. Pretending otherwise is naive ahistorical nonsense.

But is that not a place? Our civilization has become infinite… “all the available options” is an enormous category that in some societies does include quite literally everyone. (I suggest reading the piece – the author deals with whether or not the underlying hypothesis is true versus useful early on.)

I read the piece.

Our society is certainly not infinite economically or as a matter of what is acceptable socially, and while different cultures have varying degrees of acceptability in terms of plausible occupations and behaviour, they are still obviously bounded.

The hypothesis is neither useful not true, which makes the article uninteresting at best.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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> every person has a purpose, nobody is superfluous or redundant. > That’s a tragedy not just for Nicky, but for the rest of us, too. There’s a hole in the ecosystem where Nicky should be: there’s a hospital she should be running, or seventh-graders she should be teaching, or pizzas she should be delivering underwater. Wherever that hole is, everything else will be a little off-balance until Nicky fills it. Some inte…

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Re: There's a place for everyone

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Sort of off topic but this page links to a probably-pseudoscience rabbit hole.

>As far back as the 1950s, it was known that garlic reduced reaction time by two to three times when consumed by pilots taking flight tests.

Does ANYONE know of reference for this? It seemed so bizarre I had to look it up but couldn't see anything obvious.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

I'm not sure it conflates the niches with employment. Many of the examples given are specifically non-paying niches. (Starting with breakup-whisperer).

Indeed for some percentage of people, employment is not fulfilling or satisfying. They turn to other activities to create significance in their lives. (Open Source software is pretty much built on this concept.)

That said, I suspect the basic premise (everyone has a unique niche) is flawed. It's more likely that everyone has the opportunity to add value to society, and that value comes in various ever-creative forms. Many choose not to take that opportunity, and hypothetically we're worse off for that, but life pretty much still goes on.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

Let me teach you a good philosophy. When you see an article that begins with “what do you believe without any evidence” and “this is what I said without thinking”, do not expect good thinking to follow.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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It's a fun, upbeat article, but as an actual case, I think it falls down here:

> Our abundance of weirdos creates diversity not only in supply, but also in demand.

That's certainly true (imo), but the author seems to implicitly expect the supply and demand to match up and I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that they do not.

Thinking narrowly about jobs, there are a lot more people that want to be artists than people that want to buy art, causing art to be a pretty hard industry to make a living in. This is equally true of any other niche where there are X people wanting it and Y people providing it: there's no reason to expect those to be equal and, as it turns out, they rarely are.

Re: There's a place for everyone

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post #11

I only skimmed but I don’t find this philosophy particularly interesting. The implication here is that everyone has one best place, but in reality there are many local maximums. The opportunity cost of traversing a valley for a slightly higher maximum may not be worth it. The post also conflates employment with happiness. Not having a paying job is a valid life choice. Stay at home parent is a completely valid niche.…

> None of this is easy and the post doesn’t seem to provide any insight into finding a good fit.

Oh it does:

> So it’s not that the world magically offers the lock to fit everyone’s key. It’s that everyone’s key has a bit of give, enough to fit the locks available. We screw this up when we assume that our keys are made out of Play-Doh and they can fit anywhere, or when we assume they’re made out of obsidian and they’ll shatter if you try to stick ‘em in the wrong place.

It actually warns about having unrealistic expectations what fitting in means and encourages to have some flexibility but also not too much flexibility. I think that is a good approach

> The post also conflates employment with happiness.

The article doesn't talk solely about traditional employment but has a broader definition of niche.

> And that’s just thinking of niches in the dumbest sense possible, which is “things you can do in exchange for money.”

Later:

> When I was thirteen, I got promoted to moderator of the “Flaming Chickens” forum of a Yu-Gi-Oh! message board, which is where people were allowed to “flame” things that they hated (stepdads, math class, low-quality English dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh! episodes). I was so excited because it meant I meant something. Was the job pointless? Yes. Was it not a “job” at all in the sense that it paid nothing? Yes. Did the forum eventually die because of an infidelity scandal inside the polycule of people who ran the message board? Also yes. But for a bit, I fit.

You comment could be more insightful if you had read the article.

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