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E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by intothemild »

Ciantic wrote: post #19
intothemild wrote: post #6

I love eink displays, I also love the MIP display on my Garmin. I'm excited for where these technologies go.

Yes, I loved MIP models too. I'm really annoyed that the last Gramin Forerunner watch with an MIP display was 955, and it's now discontinued and was recently removed from Garmin's website. All their new models have OLED, and I kind of understand as it looks better indoors but wastes a huge amount of battery when used outside. I would have preferred they investigate some of these newer LCD screens that can work reflec…

I'm a long distance runner. So my requirements are slightly different than the average person. But that said. It seems to me Garmin's strategy is clear, the Forerunner and even the Fenix lines are going to be OLED. Where as the Enduro is the MIP line.

Sure there's a MIP Fenix 8, but I feel like that might be something that eventually goes as more people who are newer to sports watches, the people transitioning over from Apple or Google watches.. those people who see 7 days battery life and think "wow" where as we look at the GPS always on time and think "more please".

The absolute pick of this generation is the Enduro 3 now. It's cheaper, lasts waaaaay longer, and does everything we want. Fenix 8? Dive computer, and the ability to take calls? No thanks. I just want more battery life, and better solar thanks.

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Post by jillesvangurp »

fsflover wrote: post #17
jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

> It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. Have a look at PineNote.

> Powered by a powerful and efficient RK3566 SoC with four A55 cores, and backed by 4GBs of RAM and 128GBs of eMMC storage

Exactly what I mean by anemic. The only likable thing in that device is the screen.

Re: E Ink faces growing competition in the "paper-like" display space

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Post by tliltocatl »

WithinReason wrote: post #7

Instead of reflecting ambient light, why not measure it and then emit the same amount? It should be indistinguishable (as long as you reconstruct the RGB colors properly), so you can use a regular OLED display.

It's not about chroma, its' about luma. You would need pretty powerful backlight to match ambient on a sunny day. It will burn battery pretty quickly and require unrealistic cooling.

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Post by djtango »

mtaras wrote: post #20
mcbetz wrote: post #9

Any first-hand experiences with the Nxtpaper devices? There's a lot of press coverage of the release official material, especially on the 14 inch model, but few actual reviews. Availability or even infos on availability is an issue, at least in Europe as well.

MKBHD did a review of a TCL phone with an NXTPAPER display and the screen looks like just a normal LCD with a matte screen protector. It has some extra layers physically to limit the amount of blue light, but it 100% looked like any other phone screen with a "paper-like" screen protector on top. The only other thing were the screen modes that would wash out colors (partially or completely) to imitate the "paper look"…

The other thing I saw that was remarked was the image felt very close to the top of the screen which improves the paper-like feel

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Post by amarcheschi »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

If we're talking about E ink, it happened to study with a guy who had a boox something and it was really cool, however he mainly used it for notes and for writing, and not for coding. I think they offer a lot of products for various needs, perhaps some of them are backlighted. Boox ultra pro c has an underclocked snapdragon 855 so it shouldn't suck too much, just a little. However, they're not cheap

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Post by mft_ »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

I’m hopeful that the ‘working outdoors’ issue may be solved within a couple of generations of AR glasses.

Something that can project one or two virtual monitors at a workable resolution, without totally cutting off the outside world, and while looking roughly like a pair of glasses.

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Post by carlosjobim »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

It would be nice to see somebody do a device that isn't crippled in terms of hardware and software. In my experience, most hardware companies aren't very good at software and vice versa. Apple seems a rare exception to this rule. I'd love a laptop that I can use outside. Even my current macbook pro isn't that good outside. It kind of works but it's not that comfortable on the eyes. And that's supposed to be a screen…

Your best solution right now is the 13 inch Onyx Boox Tab X. Put it in front of your MacBook screen and connect through VNC, or leave the Mac at home. They can't connect through wire. Or wait and see if they release a color version of the same size soon.

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Post by sirsinsalot »

Ciantic wrote: post #19
intothemild wrote: post #6

I love eink displays, I also love the MIP display on my Garmin. I'm excited for where these technologies go.

Yes, I loved MIP models too. I'm really annoyed that the last Gramin Forerunner watch with an MIP display was 955, and it's now discontinued and was recently removed from Garmin's website. All their new models have OLED, and I kind of understand as it looks better indoors but wastes a huge amount of battery when used outside. I would have preferred they investigate some of these newer LCD screens that can work reflec…

Yeah my forerunner 955 MIP was the sweet spot of size and battery life. Sadly the battery lifespan is fairly short on those too.

I went for the Instinct 2 next purely to avoid the OLED infestation.

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Post by djtango »

e-_pusher wrote: post #13
donatj wrote: post #4

Overlooking complaints of lack of backlighting, the Panic Playdate's screen IMHO is its stand out feature. It's a "Sharp Memory LCD" which has the appearance of e-ink and shares it's ability to continue to display an image when unpowered, but has the active refresh rate of a more standard LCD. It's frankly stunning to see in real life, and it's hard to describe how crisp it looks. Videos do not do it justice. It's tr…

The Daylight tablet is the closest to Playdate display among the tablets listed in the article.

Some people on Reddit speculate the Daylight Computer is also a Sharp screen. Unsure whether memory LCD and IGZO are related as I'm very new to this space (and trying not to fall too deep into the rabbit hole)

The play date screen is beautiful. So is the daylight computer but no colour is just a deal breaker for me unfortunately.

Some charts/diagrams use colours and being unable to understand how the colour is being used is probably going to end up being too annoying in the end for my intended usage even tho I am predominantly looking to read (pdfs and blogs)

For books I still prefer the real thing whenever possible

EDIT source - https://old.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/1dw9a7g/daylight_comp...

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