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AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by exe34 »

Vecr wrote: post #19
rixrax wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're probably not wrong. But I think we should recognize that what is humanity is rather fluid. If you were to talk to the 15th century clergymen, I think they would tell the horrors of printing press and how it has/will break humanity. And they wouldn't be wrong either. Humanity evolves, and, well, that's it. And overall, hopefully, and this is where we hopefully can effect positive change, we can steer the change…

It matters what you think of democracy. "The people" don't want transformative AI. The polls bear it out.

the people want to have their cake and eat it.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by metabagel »

PeterStuer wrote: post #4

The Internet grew faster than companies could 'secure' it, and I would say that was not just a good thing, but key to its success.

This isn’t a good analogy. The internet provably works. AI doesn’t provably work. It works some of the time, and there’s no indication we are anywhere close to a version of AI which provably works all of the time, or even up to human standard.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by levzettelin »

metabagel wrote: post #18
levzettelin wrote: post #11

Probably just companies trying to impede progress of other companies. Not to say that the statement is wrong necessarily. But given that this is coming from a group of people that could very easily solve the problem, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

It’s not an easily solvable problem. They can’t make an AI which won’t lie or make stuff up, which is sort of the root of the problem. Imagine an AI which is granted access to control systems. We can’t trust such an AI to run control systems any more than we can trust it not to lie or make stuff up. There isn’t the sort of rigor behind AI development to permit creating a provably correct AI. There needs to be more st…

They could just collectively stop working on the problem until they feel that the issue is resolved (moratorium). That's what I meant by "they could very easily solve the problem".

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by threatofrain »

sameoldtune wrote: post #2

Slight sidebar based on the content of the article. I don’t like the term “hallucination” for when a LLM produces nonsense. As if it otherwise has some grasp of reality and when it is wrong it is because it is hallucinating. Everything it produces is a “hallucination“, some of those are just more useful than others.

I think it's fair to say that these models may have some grasp of reality insofar as the data we collect ballparks reality, and also insofar as the mechanism to learn from the data effectively extracts the truth value of the data.

We might say the same thing about people.

Ultimately, just how problematic is it to label something as a hallucination? Are investors about to be massively duped? If I create a mechanism to reduce hallucinations and I call it therapy, is that really problematic?

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by llmthrow102 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #14
llmthrow102 wrote: post #8

Make companies and their leadership responsible for any harm or damage that comes from AI generated content or actions. If a recipe is a hallucinated recipe and poisons someone, treat it the same as if someone created a salad recipe calling for raw kidney beans and rhubarb leaves in order to intentionally harm someone. AI creates a ton of garbage unmitigated, and cracking down on when that garbage is harmful will be…

Can you hold a hammer manufacturer responsible for a murder? It is the users, and laws, that must control this. Companies should add traceability to their AI products. Govt.'s should ban non traceable content. Holding users accountable for their actions is the only way forward to be safe and innovative at the same time.

If a company has an AI tool, then you must treat everything that comes out of that tool as if it came from the company directly. If something harmful comes out, then the product is defective and they must compensate users like any other defective product.

If a hammer manufacturer sometimes produced a hammer that exploded like a hand grenade on impact, they would be held liable for that.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by soulofmischief »

ocihangir wrote: post #5
sameoldtune wrote: post #2

Slight sidebar based on the content of the article. I don’t like the term “hallucination” for when a LLM produces nonsense. As if it otherwise has some grasp of reality and when it is wrong it is because it is hallucinating. Everything it produces is a “hallucination“, some of those are just more useful than others.

Same here. Many terms in LLM world are not quite right such as prompt “engineering”. It is almost like they were coined by non-tech folks.

What's wrong with the use of the word?

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by cen4 »

troupo wrote: post #3

Someone on Twitter said: "Do not fear AI. Fear the people and companies that run AI". After all, it's the same industry that came up with pervasive and invasive tracking, automated insurance refusals, automated credit lookups and checks, racial ...ahem... neighbourhood profiling for benefits etc. etc.

No need to fear anything. Will be handled similar to Parasites and Pandemics. Scale is over rated, if the host gets drained and dies too quickly. Past couple decades have taught corporate wonderland how to combine mindlessly ambitious people(parasites) and button press scalability, to generate mesmerizing levels of profits. But the scheme is getting old. Everyone has copied the model. The host is taking more hits than it can afford. And therefore there is greater recognition about which parasites to keep locked up and which can be safely controlled.

Re: AI is growing faster than companies can secure it, warn industry leaders

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Post by soulofmischief »

metabagel wrote: post #22
PeterStuer wrote: post #4

The Internet grew faster than companies could 'secure' it, and I would say that was not just a good thing, but key to its success.

This isn’t a good analogy. The internet provably works. AI doesn’t provably work. It works some of the time, and there’s no indication we are anywhere close to a version of AI which provably works all of the time, or even up to human standard.

There were and are many unknowns and fear about the internet at the time, too.
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