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Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy
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#22Don't be naive. Today they require photos from cops, tomorrow from fans.
They already have facial recognition entry at events in some cities like Seattle. It’s dystopian seeing everyone accept it without question.
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#23Interesting concern given all of our pictures were already sold by META to every data broker on the planet..
They don’t sell data, they just collect it to target relevant ads. If you can find an instance of them (or Google) actually selling data to brokers, please share
Brave ai summary:
Facebook’s Facial Recognition Data Collection and Potential Sales to Third Parties in Texas
Based on the provided search results, here are the key findings:
In 2022, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sued Meta Platforms, Facebook’s parent company, alleging that it collected facial recognition data without users’ consent, violating Texas state law.
The lawsuit claimed that Facebook repeatedly captured and commercialized biometric data in photos and videos for over a decade without informed consent, sharing the data with third parties and failing to destroy it in a reasonable timeframe.
The state alleged that Facebook’s actions put Texans’ well-being, safety, and security at risk, and sought damages of “billions of dollars.”
In 2024, Meta agreed to a $1.4 billion settlement in the biometric data lawsuit, related to the unauthorized use of personal biometric data from uploaded photos and videos on Facebook.
Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy
#24This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…
Worth remembering the US Army built a biometric database of Afghan officials (police officers included) and they lost control of it to the Taliban. They sold it as a "for your own safety", and now it's a kill list. https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/taliban-afghanistan-biome... ( "Taliban likely to have access to biometric databases of Afghan civilians who helped US" (2021)) - "The biometrics initiative was initially…
It doesn't matter if it is Napoleon, Hitler or who ever. Asking about winter boots and blankets is a no go. Plan for the plan.
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#25This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…
The main issue there is that the mantra something you know, something you own, something you are is completely wrong in the authentication context. The issue there is that the biometric “something you are” cannot be revoked and also depends on the relying system having some kind of secure path to whatever sensor measured it. So in the end as an authentication it is only useful as convenience feature (eg. how TouchID/FaceID works on Apple platforms). Identification is another thing and obviously biometrics are useful there, but well, there are not that many ethical uses for system that does identification without authentication.
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#26This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…
> It would be quite straightforward to make your biometric identity a public private key kind of setup.
How would that work? Maybe the biometric part acts as a domain name from which the public key might be downloaded? Who is the custodian of face-public key pairs?
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#27The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling? "conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable…
> Hiring the police out as a private security force where they then get to negotiate what rules they have to play by has a Judge Dredd vibe to it The work is voluntary overtime work. They're not forced to accept voluntary overtime work. It's an optional thing they can choose to do above and beyond their base job, if the pay and terms are interesting enough. I don't see why it's a problem. What are the alternatives? F…
It should be impossible to negotiate this with individual policemen - if the state or municipality has the requirement and authority to provide security for something, then the conditions for that should be handled by the government (and then the officials would execute that as part of their ordinary non-negotiable orders of what duties their service requires), and if the government does not do that thing, then police officers should not be involved at all, this should be handled by private security, in which case even if someone from police participates off-duty, they shouldn't be permitted to have uniforms/badges/official authority, as they are not there as representatives of the state but as civilians.
There shouldn't be any middle ground - either the government sends the police to do whatever the government requires, or it does not - the policemen themselves should not get a choice, they exist to execute and enforce the government decisions, not make them.
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#28The title confused me because here in Germany the police are civil servants and they generally don't have a right to strike or just choose not to do their job as they're an executive organ of the state but apparently here the police is just.. side hustling? "conversations with officers “making them very well aware of what they’re agreeing to.” But the decision may come down to what individual officers are comfortable…
> Hiring the police out as a private security force where they then get to negotiate what rules they have to play by has a Judge Dredd vibe to it The work is voluntary overtime work. They're not forced to accept voluntary overtime work. It's an optional thing they can choose to do above and beyond their base job, if the pay and terms are interesting enough. I don't see why it's a problem. What are the alternatives? F…
The way it works in Finland:
Police officers are public officials. As such, they do not have the right to have a second job or a side business by default. They may apply for a permit for a specific job, and it is usually approved if there are no obvious conflicts of interest or other reasons that could compromise their impartiality. Some jobs, such as private security, are automatically out of question.
If your event needs security, you hire private security. Police officers may have been involved in training the security personnel, but they can't work in the field. And if a uniformed police officer shows up at the event, it almost always means something has gone wrong.
Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy
#29This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…
> It would be quite straightforward to make your biometric identity a public private key kind of setup. There is no repudiation, attestation or key rotation in this setup, with all the attendant problems that creates.
you can always save up for plastic surgery!
Re: Las Vegas police could boycott working NFL games over new facial ID policy
#30This kind of biometric security is getting a bit ridiculous. It would be different if it was done in a secure way and by that I mean secure in the sense that the person who provides the biometric data you had the ability to secure it wherever it went. This could absolutely be done but the reason it's not is companies totally want to gather this data from people and then sell it to other companies for machine learning…
Seems like the key issue here is this: what is the purpose of conducting the authentication? In the case of personal accounts, it's for the benefit of the individual. They get their own account to safely store personal data. Here, the individual management of biometric authentication devices, as you described, is a great thing. A passkey can be generated without exposing biometric data. The individual has the responsibility and incentive to keep their devices secure.
But the above article is an example of the opposite case, where the authentication is for public security. In this situation, the individual cannot be entrusted with their own auth, so if each person were to use their own device, it would need to be quite tamper-proof. Seems far simpler at this point to do face / fingerprint auth, where the security guard ensures that no one is wearing a mask or fake finger. Yes, there is the concern that the bio-data could be stolen / misused, and for that reason I think that bio-auth for public safety should be limited to a single standard type (e.g. face), with the others being reserved only for private auth. That way, a compromise can be reached between public safety and individual privacy.