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A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by khazhoux »

mc32 wrote: post #17
EvanAnderson wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the St…

What the hell, has everyone caught and gone gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f*** is this? How in the hell do you have the balls or ovaries to ban the creator --for something so inane. It's like a highscool supe who gets no respect and will at every chance show you the little power she has in such a classless way. So utterly petty defying belief. I hope those dweebs get voted out pronto. That's an absurd abuse…

> gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f** is this?

Unintenti**l irony

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by __d »

gedy wrote: post #14
basementcat wrote: post #3

Isn’t it good to see that no one is "above the law", even if they’re a benevolent dictator?

Sure if he was being hurtful, hateful, etc. But is comment hardly seems wrong in light of the community guidelines: https://discuss.python.org/guidelines More seems it's just embarrassing to the committee so they banned it.

You could read Guide's message (assuming the first comment is quoting it accurately) as being sarcastic about Tim Peters' banning. The mods probably feel like this is undermining their authoritah, and dropped the banhammer.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by ggm »

One post. His posting rights haven't been withdrawn, it's one message in context which was elided out.

[edit: I am somewhat surprised people want to down-vote a factual statement, which in part aligns to the OP who changed the title of the post since it was being wrongly inferred his posting rights had gone, not a single post was being hidden. As the saying goes "you do you"]

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by breck »

basementcat wrote: post #3

Isn’t it good to see that no one is "above the law", even if they’re a benevolent dictator?

Just because it is a well known quote, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

No one is above god's law (aka physics).

No one is above the _spirit_ of [man's] laws.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by kadoban »

__d wrote: post #23
gedy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure if he was being hurtful, hateful, etc. But is comment hardly seems wrong in light of the community guidelines: https://discuss.python.org/guidelines More seems it's just embarrassing to the committee so they banned it.

You could read Guide's message (assuming the first comment is quoting it accurately) as being sarcastic about Tim Peters' banning. The mods probably feel like this is undermining their authoritah, and dropped the banhammer.

It reads to me as kind of petty sniping that's unlikely to really contribute anything useful to the conversation. But not something that really seems worth hiding either...

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by mananaysiempre »

jgalt212 wrote: post #13

Who's the un-person you're not allowed to name? I want to register and post his / her name and get banned myself. Perhaps, we should all do this.

Tim Peters, author of Timsort and the Zen of Python. He might be less of a public face of Python than GvR, but he was just as instrumental to its design all the way from the early years to its coming into the mainstream.

However, I don’t think reflexive actions like what you’re suggesting will sway anybody who’s not already convinced, or really help in any other way. Disruptive demonstrations can occasionally work IRL when they can serve to convey a concern to people who wouldn’t otherwise notice it, or to assure like-minded people that they’re not alone. Online forums, by contrast, are both lacking in passersby and plentiful in tools for suppressing disruptions.

Furthermore, I don’t think you can really outpolitick a politician on this low a level. Well-motivated and well-publicized forks could work. General apathy and nonparticipation could work. Other ways of voting with your feet could also work, if you can think of one. But you can’t argue (collaborate on converging to the truth) with an opponent who’s completely convinced of their own rightness and righteousness, only debate them (attempt to expose each other’s faults to an audience). Debating a politician won’t work, because they’ll crush you. It’s a large part of what being a good politician is, after all.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by __d »

__d wrote: post #23
gedy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure if he was being hurtful, hateful, etc. But is comment hardly seems wrong in light of the community guidelines: https://discuss.python.org/guidelines More seems it's just embarrassing to the committee so they banned it.

You could read Guide's message (assuming the first comment is quoting it accurately) as being sarcastic about Tim Peters' banning. The mods probably feel like this is undermining their authoritah, and dropped the banhammer.

I guess it could be considered to breach the Code of Conduct, disrespecting the decision to ban Tim?

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