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Aside: Yet another useful and thought provoking question and set of answers on SE shut down "because it's not a good fit for the format".
It was closed after 2 pages of answers and hundreds of votes - not so problematic IMHO.
They get paid the same as junior programmers where I work. They are deemed as equal value to the company. To be 100% honest a good developer should be able to take on all three roles. PM and BA are skills which should be built in as well along side other basics.
Most good developers that I know of don't communicate as well as BA or PM when it comes to interfacing with non-technical people.
NB: Not to say that these developers are bad communicators. They're less patient, they tend to have an "ideal" picture, and they work better with computers than a normal human being.
Aside: Yet another useful and thought provoking question and set of answers on SE shut down "because it's not a good fit for the format".
They get paid the same as junior programmers where I work. They are deemed as equal value to the company. To be 100% honest a good developer should be able to take on all three roles. PM and BA are skills which should be built in as well along side other basics.
Where is this "good developer" exist? Most good developers that I know of don't communicate as well as BA or PM when it comes to interfacing with non-technical people. NB: Not to say that these developers are bad communicators. They're less patient, they tend to have an "ideal" picture, and they work better with computers than a normal human being.
I always sit in the middle between humans and machines and am quite happy getting my hands dirty with both sides. Communication and management is part of the job.
What companies are these people working for? The ones I've looked at and the ones my friends work at pay their programmers significantly more than PMs and BAs.
This; in my experience median compensation for programmers is comparable to PMs, and the high-end of programmer compensation is significantly higher than that for PMs.
I've seen very few places where PMs and analysts even get on par with normal engineers (aka, non junior).
As a programmer or engineer, you may not even be directly aware of what the project's budget is, so it's harder for you to demonstrate how much value you're providing.
Aside: Yet another useful and thought provoking question and set of answers on SE shut down "because it's not a good fit for the format".
+1. But neither coding horror nor joel give a sh*t about that: coding horror: http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=4132668 - Basically says "If you're bitching about it, it's because it's working as intended" Joel: http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=4132020 - Says "Yeah, but look at the quality" I just want a filter for high-activity closed SE Q/A's, that way I can read highly engaging and interesting topics.