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Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by dartos »

ecocentrik wrote: post #18
croes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how Google started. Then they needed revenue. Enjoy it til it lasts but there will be ads and AI search optimizations.

It's unfair to compare LLMs to early or even late stage Google. Early Google was a very simple keyword search engine. Entering a question would confuse the algorithm returning results that sometimes matched the lower value words in your question. It was slick for the time but would feel tedious today next to the simplified output from free and local tier LLMs. The reason Google and the internet feels tedious today ha…

I disagree.

Sometimes I have a question that would likely require multiple searches on Google.

But sometimes I just have a name or a broad subject and don’t want to have to formulate a question and wait for a long conversation style answer. If I wanted the 8086 manual or something. It’d be extremely cumbersome to use a conversation to find it instead of typing “8086 manual pdf.”

There is significant overlap, but LLM and trad search have their own independent use cases.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by dartos »

cmcaleer wrote: post #12
croes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how Google started. Then they needed revenue. Enjoy it til it lasts but there will be ads and AI search optimizations.

Google didn't have 90%-as-good-as-Google locally running search engines to compete against, though.

Not 90% at all.

I get no good programming information out of local LLMs beyond the very basics, but I can always find books and PDFs from trad search.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by dartos »

svnt wrote: post #14
croes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how Google started. Then they needed revenue. Enjoy it til it lasts but there will be ads and AI search optimizations.

Google never charged $20/mo. No one would pay it. This is different.

You know that’s because Google sells ads, not search, right?

B2B software always has a bigger upside than consumer software.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by a3n »

bionhoward wrote: post #17

I wish I could use it but I am unclear how anyone accepts, “ What you cannot do. You may not use our Services for any illegal, harmful, or abusive activity. For example, you may not: Use Output to develop models that compete with OpenAI.” Yadda yadda, they probably won’t enforce it, enjoy that, I’m in malicious compliance mode, it’s not OK for a business to learn from me and then turn around and say I can’t learn fro…

> For example, you may not: Use Output to develop models that compete with OpenAI.”

Ah, the old Microsoft "Cannot use our compiler to develop a compiler" restriction.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by dartos »

bionhoward wrote: post #17

I wish I could use it but I am unclear how anyone accepts, “ What you cannot do. You may not use our Services for any illegal, harmful, or abusive activity. For example, you may not: Use Output to develop models that compete with OpenAI.” Yadda yadda, they probably won’t enforce it, enjoy that, I’m in malicious compliance mode, it’s not OK for a business to learn from me and then turn around and say I can’t learn fro…

I don’t think content creation is where LLMs are useful.

Summarization seems to be the killer feature, it takes some finagling with RAG and potentially multiple passes to ensure a low enough hallucinations rate, but for summarizing tasks it’s quite good.

What’s even cooler are embeddings. Idk why people are so focused on the text generation features of LLMs when embeddings are far more useful

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by dartos »

DougN7 wrote: post #13
huimang wrote: post #3

And this is how the decline of learned society begins.

Maybe. People that spent hours in libraries back before the Internet would have said the same thing. Maybe it will be different this time. I don’t know.

There will be a period where people believe everything said by an AI.

Just like when everyone believed everything on the internet.

Or on tv

Or in the news

Or in books

People will adjust.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by a3n »

dartos wrote: post #26
DougN7 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. People that spent hours in libraries back before the Internet would have said the same thing. Maybe it will be different this time. I don’t know.

There will be a period where people believe everything said by an AI. Just like when everyone believed everything on the internet. Or on tv Or in the news Or in books People will adjust.

In the future, AI will write our manifestos for us!

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by huimang »

DougN7 wrote: post #13
huimang wrote: post #3

And this is how the decline of learned society begins.

Maybe. People that spent hours in libraries back before the Internet would have said the same thing. Maybe it will be different this time. I don’t know.

I think academic literature and writing, and the internet as a whole being flooded with generated text by bullshitting LLMs is slightly different than humans manually recording things in books.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by croes »

ecocentrik wrote: post #18
croes wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how Google started. Then they needed revenue. Enjoy it til it lasts but there will be ads and AI search optimizations.

It's unfair to compare LLMs to early or even late stage Google. Early Google was a very simple keyword search engine. Entering a question would confuse the algorithm returning results that sometimes matched the lower value words in your question. It was slick for the time but would feel tedious today next to the simplified output from free and local tier LLMs. The reason Google and the internet feels tedious today ha…

I think the comparison is valid.

At the beginning Google search was all about returning the best result,but that's ruined partially because they put ads over search results and because others learned to tricked Google's algorithm.

The same will happen with LLMs.

Maybe not both but at least one of them.

Re: Observe HN: ChatGPT Fills in My Memory

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Post by svnt »

dartos wrote: post #23
svnt wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google never charged $20/mo. No one would pay it. This is different.

You know that’s because Google sells ads, not search, right? B2B software always has a bigger upside than consumer software.

It’s difficult to find a response for this that doesn’t descend into sarcasm.

By revenue, Microsoft’s gaming business is roughly the same size as Salesforce and Intuit combined.

What you possibly meant to say is individual accounts always have a bigger upside. The world is changing.

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