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What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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RIP German industrial production without North Stream and Russian cheap energy...

And who destroyed it? Either USA or Ukraine or both together. Best friends ever..

This is an idiotic take. By choosing better economy over freedom they'd lose both economy and freedom.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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RIP German industrial production without North Stream and Russian cheap energy...

And who destroyed it? Either USA or Ukraine or both together. Best friends ever..

Gazprom halted delivery indefinitely, officially because of maintenance in 31 August 2022.

Remember all the Russian propaganda about freezing Europe? Yeah, it didn't work, but at least Gazprom took a big hit, nature is healing.

When they were sabotaged, they were not in operation.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

The argument agains nuclear is not irrational. The true cost of nuclear is not sufficiently priced in. Example from recent history here in Germany the nuclear interim storage mine Asse is leaking and the garbage has to be recovered. Cost estimated to be 3.7 billion tax payer money. There is no solution for safe nuclear garbage storage in sight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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RIP German industrial production without North Stream and Russian cheap energy...

And who destroyed it? Either USA or Ukraine or both together. Best friends ever..

These are the only published theories. The Ukrainian sailboat theory has been published in the WSJ just recently. If the downvoters know more, please introduce us to the third theory.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #7

I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

On one hand, Russia can do "green-washing" psyops to create German anti-nuclear sentiment. On the other, Russia creates the implied threat that in some future war a Russian missile will hit a German nuclear powerplant. Well played, Mr. Putin.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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The framing in the article is that Germany made a purely technical decarbonization policy choice between renewable energy and nuclear power and chose incorrectly, but this is too reductive.

Germany has a long history of public opposition to nuclear power, going back over 50 years, and this is related to environmental concerns, safety concerns, and the association with nuclear weapons.

Both the USA and the Soviets had nuclear weapons deployed on German soil with the potential to be directed at the German people and this cultural and historical context is important to understand the current policy landscape.

The origin of the popular Green party in Germany is deeply connected to the peace movement and anti-nuclear activism that pre-dates concerns about climate change.

It’s fine to disagree with the policy decisions the German people made, but it’s good to understand the reasons why they made them.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who destroyed it? Either USA or Ukraine or both together. Best friends ever..

This is an idiotic take. By choosing better economy over freedom they'd lose both economy and freedom.

How so? Germany and everyone else trades with Saudi Arabia. Do you lose freedom because of that? It is a business decision, same as Ukraine's decision to still collect transit fees for Russian pipelines.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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post #18
post #7

I've always wondered how big of a part Soviet Union / Russia psych ops played in stirring this completely irrational anti-nuclear mentality. The side-effect of getting Germany hooked on Russian gas was extremely convenient to them. Of course the Chernobyl disaster played some part, but it didn't result in such irrationality in most other surrounding countries. Perhaps the anti-war mentality and guilt from the horrors…

Russia did nothing in that respect. The original anti nuclear protests were authentic.

It's called "useful idiots".

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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ABSTRACT: Germany has one of the most ambitious energy transition policies dubbed ‘Die Energiewende’ to replace nuclear- and fossil power with renewables such as wind-, solar- and biopower. The climate gas emissions are reduced by 25% in the study period of 2002 through 2022. By triangulating available information sources, the total nominal expenditures are estimated at EUR 387 bn, and the associated subsidies are so…

I always supported nuclear power. It's just the best we have right now. Renewable power is all good and all, but technology is not there yet. Plus, many people in support of green energy never think about all the mining done for this and how it impacts and often destroys environments. It's OK when it's not your environment being hurt. :-) Anyways, nuclear power is safer than people think. And most, if not all, nuclea…

Human error makes it worse. We can fix technical issues, it is much harder to fix human nature and all the potential human causes for safety violations.

Re: What if Germany had invested in nuclear power?

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And let's not forget that Germany then decided to create the economically viable solar power industry from scratch. Only to then remove the subsidies, destroy the domestic industry they just created and hand over the technology advantage they had to China.

Genious decisions all around.

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