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Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by jwells89 »

miohtama wrote: post #3

Is this the same as Microsoft was forced to do back in a way with Windows (and their Internet Explorer monopoly)? If I recall correctly it boosted other browsers greatly. … only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.

I’ve gotten that banner on Maps and YouTube too. Super irritating, and to me should be subject to just as much regulatory scrutiny as default browser on iOS has been. Google writing their web apps in ways that favor Blink/Chrome should also be looked at.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by nerdjon »

miohtama wrote: post #3

Is this the same as Microsoft was forced to do back in a way with Windows (and their Internet Explorer monopoly)? If I recall correctly it boosted other browsers greatly. … only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.

> … only to have Google to force feed “You should install Chrome” on every Google search page.

It drives me insane whenever I get this "finish setting up your iPhone" emails from Google after signing in on my phone.

How google continues to get away with such a heavy hand in pushing their products everywhere is beyond me. Yes I know they are being investigated, but it is seriously too late and the damage has been done.

Edit:

Oh and unless I am mistaken, you still can't disable the prompt every time you start chrome (if you do need it for some reason but not as your primary) to make it your default, at least on Mac. I caved and clicked it because it was driving me insane, but I hate it.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by bitpush »

dylan604 wrote: post #17
bitpush wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of person goes againt their on interests and simps for a multi billion dollar company?

Is this a new version of those famous questions like "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?" or "What color was Washington's white horse?"

Nope. I don't know what you're talking about.

OP made a flippant comment about OPEN web advocacy. I wonder what their positions on open source, Firefox and the likes are..

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by difosfor »

I wish they'd focus on getting rid of whatever is still blocking Chrome, Firefox etc from actually porting their web engines to full browser alternatives. Installing WebKit with a different coat on is not what I want. I want alternatives to the WebKit monopoly.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by darklion »

oddevan wrote: post #10

> Browsers should be allowed to know if they are the current default browser. No. No no no no no. Once my default is set, it is SET. I don't want Safari or Chrome or Firefox or $UNKNOWN_FOURTH_OPTION to prompt me every single time to make it my default browser. I just want the browser to know that it is running. Period. Is there any good reason for the browser to know whether it's the default? Serious question. Becau…

> Because the only reason I can think of is whining about not being the default.

That is exactly the reason.

The charitable reason is so that the browser, upon launch, can ask the user if they want to make it the default.

The problem is that the only incentive browser vendors have to not ask repeatedly is the frequency threshold past which the user will not use the browser.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by nemetroid »

bitpush wrote: post #23
dylan604 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a new version of those famous questions like "Who's buried in Grant's tomb?" or "What color was Washington's white horse?"

Nope. I don't know what you're talking about. OP made a flippant comment about OPEN web advocacy. I wonder what their positions on open source, Firefox and the likes are..

That's just as terrible as making a flippant comment about the DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.

I don't know OP's reasons, but OWA's landing page says:

> We [...] have come together to advocate for the future of the open web by providing regulators, legislators and policy makers the intricate technical details that they need to understand the major anti-competitive issues in our industry and how to solve them.

Zero matches on the page for "Google" or "Chrome", whose monoculture is the greatest threat to the open web.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by darklion »

deafpolygon wrote: post #12

“The choice screen should be moved to device setup or upon device update rather than upon first use of the gatekeepers browser.” They want the browsers to be pre-installed? You know that people are just going to install whatever “sounds cool” to them on first install without knowing anything about their choice. How is that freedom? Why not establish “sane” defaults, then give the choice to them later on?

No, they want installs on-demand once you select the browser, which ties into a subsequent demand that browsers be able to be downloaded directly from the source or an alternative App Store.

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by ravetcofx »

difosfor wrote: post #24

I wish they'd focus on getting rid of whatever is still blocking Chrome, Firefox etc from actually porting their web engines to full browser alternatives. Installing WebKit with a different coat on is not what I want. I want alternatives to the WebKit monopoly.

There's nothing blocking them other than their own internal policy and hubris. They want the control of everything being re-skinned Safari on iOS

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by kbolino »

ravetcofx wrote: post #28
difosfor wrote: post #24

I wish they'd focus on getting rid of whatever is still blocking Chrome, Firefox etc from actually porting their web engines to full browser alternatives. Installing WebKit with a different coat on is not what I want. I want alternatives to the WebKit monopoly.

There's nothing blocking them other than their own internal policy and hubris. They want the control of everything being re-skinned Safari on iOS

They've been forced to relax this policy, but only in the EU: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-b...

Re: Apple Adopts 6 of OWA's Browser Choice Architecture Recommendations

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Post by difosfor »

kbolino wrote: post #29
ravetcofx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing blocking them other than their own internal policy and hubris. They want the control of everything being re-skinned Safari on iOS

They've been forced to relax this policy, but only in the EU: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-b...

Yes, sorry, I should have mentioned: within the EU.

The reality is, even though it's now theoretically possible for Chrome and Firefox to be properly ported here, it's practically impossible. At any rate it's not happening yet. Last I heard they decided against it as it would require all of the coding to be done within the EU! So Apple is still effectively blocking alternatives on its platform even here.

It would be nice if the USA and Japan also pursue their own anti monopoly charges and force Apple to open up across the world

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