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Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just chatting with a friend on how we haven't received the conservation emails like we have in previous years. This year has not been as extreme either as the DFW metroplex has not had the extended 100°+ days. We've just had a run of 3 or 4, but we've had 30+ consecutive days in the past.

Last year was brutal, this year is great.

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me my friend. I would not define this heat as great; more like just this side of deadly.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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What is triggering the battery discharge? I assume these are referring to decentralized battery storage in people’s homes.

afaik there are no residential loads in emergency response programs in Texas

ECRS is a program run by ERCOT, they trigger the battery discharge directly, or in some situations the resources might respond to an under-frequency relay.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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So the day peaked at 85 GW of load, and they got down to only 130 MW of spare capacity. Just 0.15% from running out. And they never asked for conservation? Is it normal to go that close to the edge without trying to cut load?

This is a state that should basically be peppered with residential rooftop solar.

Of course, there's zero chance of any sort of state governmental policy to help incentivize it in deep red state land.

But if recent history has shown anything, I would consider it a primary feature of any home in Texas to be relatively grid independent with its own generating capacity and storage.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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What is triggering the battery discharge? I assume these are referring to decentralized battery storage in people’s homes.

Summarizing from the article, this link [1] shows that there were more sources of generation that ERCOT didn't ask to come online. Specifically, all the capacity that could come online with 5 minutes was online except for a tiny 130 MW of generation. [1] https://blog.gridstatus.io/content/images/2024/08/ERCOT-Reca... Instead of calling for something that needed more than 5 minutes, ERCOT relied on all the batteries o…

> Probably the daytime temps in Texas right now drove the high solar production and high demand.

Probably?

> High temps usually mean clear, sunny days and everyone huddling near an air con.

Or all of those mandatory RTO forcing large open spaced cubicle farms to run AC in a building made of glass. Not sure of the image you have in your head being the reverse of homeless huddled around a barrel fire.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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So the day peaked at 85 GW of load, and they got down to only 130 MW of spare capacity. Just 0.15% from running out. And they never asked for conservation? Is it normal to go that close to the edge without trying to cut load?

Here in San Antonio (CPS is our sole provider) we get emails asking us to reduce our use during peak hours on high demand days like today.

Not sure how well it works, but they send out another email letting us know how we did compared to similarly sized houses in my area.

If demand goes over the edge, they will start doing rolling black outs.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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If I'm reading this right, my thermostat's "rush hours" seem to be scheduled for gross load peak. They then seem to usually end (and kick my AC back to a desired temp causing a ton of usage) right around net load peak...which this is now reporting is when energy prices go through the roof. So basically the "rush hour" program has likely been costing me more money than if I just ignored them to begin with up to this p…

My rush hour went off yesterday afternoon and the temp rise made me doze off and i woke up sweating with it set to 80 degrees. I'm in the process of canceling, it's not easy. I used the chat and someone is going to send me an email (which says it's canceled?) within 24-48 hours. Harder to turn off than anything else in recent memory. If anyone has a pro tip on an easy way to cancel let me know.

Just connect the wires manually To turn on the fan and AC, you'd connect R and Y (or R, G, and Y on systems where the thermostat controls the fan).

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My rush hour went off yesterday afternoon and the temp rise made me doze off and i woke up sweating with it set to 80 degrees. I'm in the process of canceling, it's not easy. I used the chat and someone is going to send me an email (which says it's canceled?) within 24-48 hours. Harder to turn off than anything else in recent memory. If anyone has a pro tip on an easy way to cancel let me know.

Just connect the wires manually To turn on the fan and AC, you'd connect R and Y (or R, G, and Y on systems where the thermostat controls the fan).

For real, you have to hotwire your AC for manual operation?

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last year was brutal, this year is great.

I'm not in Texas but that matches my local weather as well. Lots of 90s, a few around 100, but not the sustained 100+ for weeks we had last year.

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Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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So the day peaked at 85 GW of load, and they got down to only 130 MW of spare capacity. Just 0.15% from running out. And they never asked for conservation? Is it normal to go that close to the edge without trying to cut load?

I was just chatting with a friend on how we haven't received the conservation emails like we have in previous years. This year has not been as extreme either as the DFW metroplex has not had the extended 100°+ days. We've just had a run of 3 or 4, but we've had 30+ consecutive days in the past.

Last year was an extraordinarily long and hot summer.

Re: Breaking down a record-setting day on the Texas grid

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What is triggering the battery discharge? I assume these are referring to decentralized battery storage in people’s homes.

Texas has quite a bit of utility-scale commercial batteries now.

Unfortunately it these batteries are unable to multiple gigawatts over many hours of excess wind energy. It will be at least a decade before the battery energy storage systems are close to big enough to absorb the oversupply of wind energy that happens a few times a week.

Don't get me wrong. The BESS helps with frequency, synchronization and voltage issues. They just do very little to flatten the wind spikes without turning off 10-20% of the wind fleet.

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