Wasn't this clarified in the teleconference that it only needs "mission load" upload, some sort of script change rather than software rebuild? The Ars article quoted seem to predate the conference. Isn't this kind of a stale news?
Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
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Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#22It amuses me that of course there's a standard for docking interoperability defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Docking_System_S... And adapters: > The International Docking Adapter (IDA) converts older Russian APAS-95 docking systems to the International Docking System Standard Imagine flying all the way and then realizing you forgot your adapter...
Adapters are installed on the ISS
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#23I get that there is probably a desire to solely blame Boeing for this - but this seems like as much of a Project Management and integration failure on the NASA side, as it does Boeing putting defective hardware/software into orbit. It shouldn't have been allowed to happen, period. I get that what I said will not be popular, but this has been the consensus of every previous thread on this topic that I've seen - NASA i…
I agree it shouldn't have happened.
> Boeing removed the Starliner’s autonomous undocking feature from its software. The aerospace manufacturer wants to push a software update to the spacecraft in orbit, but NASA fears it could do more damage.
I'm very far away from NASA internals, but as I've seen them in the "older" days was that just a _finished_ product went into space and they would not allow to go into space with something they _knew_ required updates in-mission to complete the _original_ mission.
So it seems like a management issue on both sides.
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#24This is just getting worser and worser. Boeing needs to get its shit in place or stop doing moon shots. Imagine if this happens on mars, #BringbackBoeing
Imagine if this happens on mars.....
You know, like half of star trek is looking for lost crew and ships that have gone astray. People shipping off to mars and beyond are going to have to solve their own problems or just die.
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I get that there is probably a desire to solely blame Boeing for this I'm sorry, where do you see this impulse? I'm just not following.
every previous thread this has come up, essentially.
They have to blame Boeing so no one can blame NASA and by association the National Space Council (whose Chairperson is now running for President).
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to fix it, first you have to quit your job, then astronaut training, then you are shipped to Russia, put on a Soyuz flight to the ISS and fix what you have damaged.
Well, if you're flying Soyus at least you have a chance of coming back. Not so if you fly Boeing, as it seems.
>flying Soyus at least you have a chance of coming back
Yes and one can take the trash back to earth.
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#27This is just getting worser and worser. Boeing needs to get its shit in place or stop doing moon shots. Imagine if this happens on mars, #BringbackBoeing
too big to fail for airlines/ space companies. It is crazy how this has played out and its just like not even considered in the larger picture of their airplanes falling out of the sky.
IMO they're not to big to fail. The gov't could force a breakup into military vs civilian vs space. Yes, this would be a huge win for Airbus and the like but the buck needs to stop somewhere.
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#28This is just getting worser and worser. Boeing needs to get its shit in place or stop doing moon shots. Imagine if this happens on mars, #BringbackBoeing
You'd hopefully have several launch vehicles ready to return to Earth on Mars at different geographical locations.
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#29It amuses me that of course there's a standard for docking interoperability defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Docking_System_S... And adapters: > The International Docking Adapter (IDA) converts older Russian APAS-95 docking systems to the International Docking System Standard Imagine flying all the way and then realizing you forgot your adapter...
Maybe they just need to flip it twice like inserting USB devices.
It's always the second flip
Re: Boeing Starliner could brick ISS docking port if crew abandons it
#30It amuses me that of course there's a standard for docking interoperability defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Docking_System_S... And adapters: > The International Docking Adapter (IDA) converts older Russian APAS-95 docking systems to the International Docking System Standard Imagine flying all the way and then realizing you forgot your adapter...
Maybe they just need to flip it twice like inserting USB devices.
nope.. its symmetrical about a bunch of axes. at most they'd need a 60 degree rotation, not 180 like USB-A. So this standard is precisely 3x better than USB-A