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Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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The article seems to actually be answering a different question than it poses.

From my experience of roughly analysing this a couple of years ago when I was losing quite a lot of weight, I drew two main conclusions:

* Calories used is a function of total distance travelled and your weight, your speed isn't really that significant a factor.

* Walking rather than running uses about 80% of the calories for the same distance compared to running. It seems to be based on the mechanics of changing gait. If you at walking speed (google MAF - maximum aerobic fitness for more info), you use more calories than just walking.

While these would seem to be opposite to the conclusions in the article, it's worth noting that the MET value is a function of calories over time, not calories over distance. The faster you're moving, the more calories you're using and the greater the distance you're covering, and they roughly cancel out.

I also found it interesting that running slowly and/or walking is better for losing weight as running faster primarily uses glycogen (and makes you hungry), and running slowly primarily uses fat. This doesn't really affect energy efficiency, per se, but fat is a more efficient energy storage source, so this might be relevant in answering the posed question. But in any case, if you want to lose weight, walking is significantly more useful than running as you can generally sustain the activity over a longer period of time, and with less stress on your body.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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Same opinion. There are so many wrong things with how the data is used. For starters, the data is biased because the basal metabolic rate of someone who does sports is higher than someone who doesn't, and that's without taking into account the higher metabolic rate of people who are overweight/obese (albeit for different reasons), and even for people who are fit, runners are trained to be more efficient at running (d…

I wish 14.5km/h was my "somewhere in the middle" running speed

yah they obvoiusly never ran a day in their life :P

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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7 min mile as most efficient seems off. Not many people run a 7 min mile especially for the population of people who walk generally

I was curious so I looked it up, it turns out that the men’s world record for a mile is 3 minutes and 43 seconds, the women’s is 4 minutes and 7 seconds. These are the very best in the world at their prime. I would conjecture that less than 50% of adults in an industrial society would be able to run a 7 min mile, which is less than twice the world record times.

> Less than 50% of adults

That's a fancy way of saying "around 5%".

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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Hmm a 7 min mile is equivalent to 13.79 km/h.

That gives you a hair over 13 min time on a 3000m run. When I was in the (Norwegian) military, that time would get you a 7 out of 9 score for males, and 8 (or 9) out of 9 score for females on a physical test. Pretty solid score.

It would also almost give you a sub 3 hour marathon.

You'd be a pretty capable runner if you can keep a steady 7 min mile, for the sake of running efficiently!

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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7 min mile as most efficient seems off. Not many people run a 7 min mile especially for the population of people who walk generally

I'd say it's obviously wrong? 7:00 min/miles is a 4:21 min/km, which would result in 21 min 5K, 43 min 10K, 1h 32 min half marathon and 3h 3min marathon. I can run a 7 min mile pace, but I can't sustain it for a long time, and when it comes to comparing running VS walking, 20-30 km feels like the distance you should use, as that's a distance most people could walk daily over an extended period of time (e.g a week). I…

I'd be very happy if I could just maintain a 8min mile over 10k.

7 min mile sustained feels like an impossible goal.

Hell, my best single mile is 6:48 and I'm dead at the end of that.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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7 min/mile, or 100 m in 25 seconds seems doable if you excercise regularly, but not for an average human. Higher speeds mean higher power (watts or cal/sec), to which there are limits.

Depends on how many miles you are doing. If you only want to do 1 mile at 7 min, then that is doable, if you want to do 10k at that pace... I reckon you'd have to be a VERY fit and strong runner.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

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I can't say I agree with the running findings, having had to start training for a long distance run recently from not having run any sort of distance in over eight years. My physical heart cannot cope with 13km/h for anything longer than 1.5k on a treadmill. However the author has a full Wikipedia page about himself which is impressive.

I referred to it in my other comment in this thread, but if you really want to boost your range, look into MAF (maximum aerobic fitness).

The general principle is that you stay in the metabolic range where you're primarily burning fat reserves rather than using glycogen. The body typically has sufficient reserves for about 30 minutes of maximum glycogen use. The faster you run, the more glycogen you're using compared to fat, and so the quicker you'll run out and hit the wall.

A lot of people don't get on with MAF because it forces you to stop running and walk a lot in the early stages (essentially, you have a target HR of 180-age and if your HR is above that, you switch to walking), and even when your body does adapt and you can keep running all the time, you have to run much, much slower than you think you're capable of and that you probably want to be running at. But, over time you'll find your body gets more efficient and your speed at the target HR goes up over time. But to translate it into normal terminologoy, it's like you're always training in zone 2, although for most people 180-age is lower than the calculated top of zone 2.

An anecdotal result is that I used to be exhausted at the end of a 5km because I was running as fast as I could. Within a few weeks of switching to MAF training, I was routinely doing 10km-15km without really feeling tired and within a month I'd accidentally done a half marathon (very slowly, of course) after getting lost and being stuck on the wrong side of the river for 4km longer than I planned, and then an extra 3km the other side. I was tired at the end of that, but I also never would have believed I was even capable of that distance a month earlier.

Re: Is running a more efficient way to travel than walking?

#30

The article seems to actually be answering a different question than it poses. From my experience of roughly analysing this a couple of years ago when I was losing quite a lot of weight, I drew two main conclusions: * Calories used is a function of total distance travelled and your weight, your speed isn't really that significant a factor. * Walking rather than running uses about 80% of the calories for the same dist…

Well, the answer to the initial question is kind of obvious I think: running is less efficient (for the same speed) because when running more of your energy goes into vertical motion (jumping from one foot to the other) than into horizontal motion. Of course, above certain speeds walking just isn't "feasible" anymore, but running will never be as efficient as walking at the optimal speeds for walking.

...but if you want the most efficient way to travel only with the power of your own muscles, you need a bicycle :)

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