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What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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What nonsense! Title 42 is still in place and as much as the GOP likes to paint Democrats as immigration loving there were more deportations under Obama & Biden than Trump. Perhaps look past the political soundbites and more at the numbers and the immense complexity of the situation.

You mean to say there were more deportations in 12 years than in 4 years?

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If you want to see actual video of crossing the Darien Gap - this guy makes great videos. He did the crossing himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc

(For what it's worth, so did the author of this piece).

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What nonsense! Title 42 is still in place and as much as the GOP likes to paint Democrats as immigration loving there were more deportations under Obama & Biden than Trump. Perhaps look past the political soundbites and more at the numbers and the immense complexity of the situation.

It’s been pretty common over the last decade for actual on-the-ground reality for each administrations policies to be the opposite of their perceived positions.

For instance, Obama’s admin was far more pro-gun (in actuality) than Trumps.

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Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

What's Putin got to do with the Americans going all ballistic against Chavez back in the day? It's all on them, on the Americans, and on the Monroe doctrine.

Which Chavez? Monroe Doctrine was in regards to saying that any European intervention in the Americas would be viewed as an act of aggression. That was 1823

Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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When commenting about how this affects economic policy, immigration reform, military involvement, the causes of why we’re here, laws, title 42, migrants, justifications, and everything in between..

Remember that these are people just like you and I. They, like all humans, are seeking safety and stability for theirselves and families. The difference is that they were born, or ended up in, situations so dire they felt they had better odds trekking through the dangerous jungle(!) on foot for hundreds of miles (followed by thousands of more miles) rather than stay in their current situation.

It’s easy to get lost in the thousand foot view and giving opinions while sipping coffee & working on a laptop commenting on hacker news. Not to say any of our opinions aren’t valid - but rather just think about the people before jumping to any conclusions

Edit: This is not an argument for or against anything or any policy. Rather just a reminder that whichever side you are on, or whatever you are advocating for, just to remember we are talking about humans. That’s the only point I’m making.

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Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> I think we should reconsider the "hands off" attitude that (with a few exceptions) has prevailed since the end of the Cold War. Political deference, while culturally sensitive and insisted upon by some US-weary groups, has not turned out so great.

The USA has a terrible track record when in comes to direct participation in the affairs of other countries.

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When commenting about how this affects economic policy, immigration reform, military involvement, the causes of why we’re here, laws, title 42, migrants, justifications, and everything in between.. Remember that these are people just like you and I. They, like all humans, are seeking safety and stability for theirselves and families. The difference is that they were born, or ended up in, situations so dire they felt…

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Good overview and history of the Darien Gap migrant issue: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/10/how-treacherous-darien-g... Also, see the work of journalist Michael Yon. https://youtube.com/watch?v=VVxUYulIEUk

On the "Center for Immigration Studies": > The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an American anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham alongside eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton in 1985 as a spin-off of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). It is one of a number o…

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Re: What I Saw in the Darién Gap

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Just in time for election season, these "human interest" pieces casually begin to appear, surreptitiously stoking anti-immigrant sentiments. The Darien Gap is still "wild" because not a lot of migrants crossed it historically. Most US migrants came from Mexico. However, migration from Mexico has greatly decreased in recent decades. The net flow is around zero. [1] That's because Mexico is no longer an undeveloped cou…

> I think we should reconsider the "hands off" attitude that (with a few exceptions) has prevailed since the end of the Cold War. Political deference, while culturally sensitive and insisted upon by some US-weary groups, has not turned out so great. The USA has a terrible track record when in comes to direct participation in the affairs of other countries.

Name a better track record, tovarich.

Besides, the participation is in the context of that of other countries, especially Russia. It's one thing to argue that we shouldn't pull bathers out of the lake. It's another to argue that we shouldn't pull drowners out of the rapids.

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If you want to see actual video of crossing the Darien Gap - this guy makes great videos. He did the crossing himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc

+1 on this, I'm a big fan of his videos, and the Darien Gap crossing must be one of the most interesting that he's done. I still think it was beyond stupid to attempt this, both him and his companion admit that they could have just died multiple times while there and no one would stop to help. On the other hand, they brought the experience of what it really looks like for thousands of migrants trying to cross every year to the millions on youtube - an experience you wouldn't be able to see otherwise.
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