Calling these book bans is like claiming Facebook "bans" news in Canada. They're not going to be carried by school libraries or be part of the curriculum. You're still free to read these books and give them to your kids to read. It's like saying churches "ban" the Koran because they don't teach it in church.
Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
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Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
to be fair to WAYX, unlike Utah they weren't being hypocritical, in that I don't recall any part of the bible that claims it's more popular* than the Beatles. (for creatures that the creator had an inordinate fondness for, even beetles get short shrift; all I've found is Lev.11:22 "ye may eat ... the beetle after his kind ...") * how should we measure popularity? By Google hits, Jesus wins, hands down, but by platinu…
Reminds me of a joke: "A shark could swim faster than me, but I could probably run faster than a shark. So in a triathlon, it would all come down to who is the better cyclist."
On first thought, a shark would make a pretty good roadie: they don't need to shave their leg hair, for instance.
However, it appears that both basking sharks and great whites peak at only 5.5 W/kg, while professional human cyclists can sustain such output.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30209042/
(incidentally, everything old is new again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41179954 )
Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
#23Calling these book bans is like claiming Facebook "bans" news in Canada. They're not going to be carried by school libraries or be part of the curriculum. You're still free to read these books and give them to your kids to read. It's like saying churches "ban" the Koran because they don't teach it in church.
You can have a ban in certain areas or times without a state-wide prohibition.
Consider the sentence "In 1995, California was the first state to enact a statewide smoking ban for restaurants." at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_Un... .
Or from a 2003 article at https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2003/10/16/french-students-f... :
> DOMONT, France: French high school students are up in arms over attempts by teachers to ban them from smoking between classes. "We're not allowed to smoke anywhere on the school grounds any more. They treat us like babies," said Melodie Gambero, 17, a student in Domont, north of Paris, who went on strike with fellow students last week against the new rules.
Just like, how the "California ban on singing or chanting at religious services" at https://apnews.com/article/7c11840c31de504a939c926f63006102 did not preclude singing or chanting at home.
Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
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Considering that Mormons are not Christians, I don't think they care
It's my impression they believe they are? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relationship_with_ma... For the downvoters: specifically, I had been remembering Lot when making the original comment, but I'm sure examples of biblical indecency can easily be multiplied.
If you go to a pubic library the bible tends to fall open at Ezekiel 23:20
Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
#25Calling these book bans is like claiming Facebook "bans" news in Canada. They're not going to be carried by school libraries or be part of the curriculum. You're still free to read these books and give them to your kids to read. It's like saying churches "ban" the Koran because they don't teach it in church.
You can have a ban in certain areas or times without a state-wide prohibition. Consider the sentence "In 1995, California was the first state to enact a statewide smoking ban for restaurants." at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_Un... . Or from a 2003 article at https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2003/10/16/french-students-f... : > DOMONT, France: French high school students are up in arms over…
All your examples are actually bans though. They prohibit people from freely engaging in certain behavior. The distinction I'm making is not that the Utah school book ban is contextual or based on location, it's that it's not really a ban at all. They're not going to teach these books or make them available to students. Nobody is telling students "you can't read these books." Would you call video games "banned" because they're not available at the school library?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's my impression they believe they are? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Relationship_with_ma... For the downvoters: specifically, I had been remembering Lot when making the original comment, but I'm sure examples of biblical indecency can easily be multiplied.
If you go to a pubic library the bible tends to fall open at Ezekiel 23:20
In those days the second "B" of the ontological acronym must've been "Babylonian"?
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You can have a ban in certain areas or times without a state-wide prohibition. Consider the sentence "In 1995, California was the first state to enact a statewide smoking ban for restaurants." at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_Un... . Or from a 2003 article at https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2003/10/16/french-students-f... : > DOMONT, France: French high school students are up in arms over…
All your examples are actually bans though. They prohibit people from freely engaging in certain behavior. The distinction I'm making is not that the Utah school book ban is contextual or based on location, it's that it's not really a ban at all. They're not going to teach these books or make them available to students. Nobody is telling students "you can't read these books." Would you call video games "banned" becau…
Is your point that "ban" is the wrong word because students are not banned from reading such books, even at the school library, so long as they bring their own copy?
That's a very narrow and non-standard use of the term. The ban here applies to banning the school from providing such books, and I can easily find other examples where "ban" is used to describe restrictions on a school placed by the district or legislature.
- "Across the United States, many states have actively banned the sale of soda in high schools, and evidence suggests that students’ in-school access to soda has declined as a result." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4658713/
- "Bill Introduced to Ban Sale of Sports Drinks at Schools" https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/bill-introduced-to-ba...
- "Bans on School Junk Food Pay Off in California" https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/0... (that's a state-wide ban)
- "Last year, 44 percent of school districts banned junk food from vending machines, believing that by eliminating unhealthy foods, they'd encourage kids to eat better." https://www.medicaldaily.com/vending-machine-bans-schools-en... (these are district bans)
- In Texas, the "state pulled french fries in 2004 and banned deep frying completely in 2009", https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2013/06/28/new-usd...
Just because the school is banned from proving soft drinks, candy bars, sports drinks, and french fries, that doesn't necessarily mean students are prohibited from bringing the same from home.
FWIW, my local library bans children from using the library computers to play fighting and shooting games. That is a ban. Even if a child may play the same game on their own device while at the library.
My library also has video games to check out. If the state made a law prohibiting the library from doing so, yes, that would correctly be called a ban on providing video games.
Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
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All your examples are actually bans though. They prohibit people from freely engaging in certain behavior. The distinction I'm making is not that the Utah school book ban is contextual or based on location, it's that it's not really a ban at all. They're not going to teach these books or make them available to students. Nobody is telling students "you can't read these books." Would you call video games "banned" becau…
Is your point that "ban" is the wrong word because students are not banned from reading such books, even at the school library, so long as they bring their own copy? That's a very narrow and non-standard use of the term. The ban here applies to banning the school from providing such books, and I can easily find other examples where "ban" is used to describe restrictions on a school placed by the district or legislatu…
It's not a very narrow and non standard use of the term. A ban is a prohibition on doing or having something. That's been the standard definition as long as I can remember. Is Swahili banned in schools because they don't teach a Swahili class?
Those are almost all hyperbolic news articles. News articles are designed to stir emotion. Just because multiple click driven publications misuse a word because it drives clicks doesn't mean that's the proper use of the word. A school "banning" themselves from selling junk food isn't a ban, if they didn't allow students to eat junk food at school, that's a ban. I don't sell junk food, is that a ban because you can't buy junk food from me?
This has all gotten ridiculous.
Re: Utah outlaws books by Judy Blume and Sarah J Maas in first statewide ban
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Is your point that "ban" is the wrong word because students are not banned from reading such books, even at the school library, so long as they bring their own copy? That's a very narrow and non-standard use of the term. The ban here applies to banning the school from providing such books, and I can easily find other examples where "ban" is used to describe restrictions on a school placed by the district or legislatu…
It's not a very narrow and non standard use of the term. A ban is a prohibition on doing or having something. That's been the standard definition as long as I can remember. Is Swahili banned in schools because they don't teach a Swahili class? Those are almost all hyperbolic news articles. News articles are designed to stir emotion. Just because multiple click driven publications misuse a word because it drives click…
> Is Swahili banned in schools because they don't teach a Swahili class?
No. Because no one banned Swahili.
By contrast these books are banned from inclusion in the school library because they have been banned, by policy, from inclusion in the school library.