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Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by apitman » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 8:55 PM UTC

I maintain a list[0] of tunneling software a la ngrok or Cloudflare Tunnel and open source alternatives. I'm considering entering the commercial market and offering a hosted solution.

These services tend to have very low CPU/RAM requirements, but relatively high network usage. This led me to comparing network usage pricing across VPS providers.

Somewhat ironically, Hetzer's pricing (20TB/mo for a $5 VPS) is so good that it makes me worried to build on them, because I could go from huge margins to losing money overnight if they ever raised them.

[0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:11 PM UTC

apitman wrote: post #21

I maintain a list[0] of tunneling software a la ngrok or Cloudflare Tunnel and open source alternatives. I'm considering entering the commercial market and offering a hosted solution. These services tend to have very low CPU/RAM requirements, but relatively high network usage. This led me to comparing network usage pricing across VPS providers. Somewhat ironically, Hetzer's pricing (20TB/mo for a $5 VPS) is so good t…

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Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by attendant3446 » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:12 PM UTC

Do they still require a utility bill to open an account?

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:14 PM UTC

Love Hetzner. Can vouch for them. I run a very beefy machine on them and use Pocketbase and that is a multimillion dollar business.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by renewiltord » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:19 PM UTC

Zealotux wrote: post #11

shay_ker wrote: post #10

How does Hetzner manage to be so much cheaper than AWS & GCP? Are the other cloud providers just making THAT much margin, or does Hetzner have a special angle?

IIRC, they produce their own hardware (including using consumer-grade components, if I'm not mistaken) and optimize every bit for efficiency. Managed services also come with an extra fee. From my experience, they're also more selective about clients. They're also based in Germany, so they don't have to pay the hyper-inflated SV salaries and probably don't overhire, but I'm only speculating here.

Consumer-grade is too expensive. Best price/performance with high utilization is Epyc 9654 based system. We build at roughly $7k/box for 96 cores, 768 GB RAM, 8 TiB of NVMe. You can't buy that yourself, though. You have to go through an integrator. We built our own because near 100% utilization on HFT sims and training.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by nrki » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:23 PM UTC

ralferoo wrote: post #20

Seems quite pricey to me: CPX11 - 2 shared vCPU, 2 GB RAM, 40 GB, 1TB bandwidth, €7.90 + VAT CCX13 - 2 dedicated vCPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB, 1TB bandwidth, €21.50 + VAT For comparison with Germany, Finland and US with 20 TB bandwidth: CCX12 is €4.35 + VAT, CCX13 is €12.49 + VAT People have been asking for other regions for a long time, but Hetzner is usually extremely good price for the specs but in this case the bandwidt…

APAC transit costs :shrug:

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by nozzlegear » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

apitman wrote: post #21

I maintain a list[0] of tunneling software a la ngrok or Cloudflare Tunnel and open source alternatives. I'm considering entering the commercial market and offering a hosted solution. These services tend to have very low CPU/RAM requirements, but relatively high network usage. This led me to comparing network usage pricing across VPS providers. Somewhat ironically, Hetzer's pricing (20TB/mo for a $5 VPS) is so good t…

The other person deleted their comment to you about Hetzner accounts being randomly terminated before I could reply, so I'll send my reply here:

This happened to me when I tried to sign up for Hetzner on a whim in June. I'd heard they have ARM offerings and wanted to try them out, so I got through the account registration process and set up a machine. I'm not exactly sure what I did wrong – I think I was trying to change my primary email address, or maybe set up billing – but I was promptly logged out and my account was deleted. They sent me the following automated email:

> Dear Joshua Harms

> After reviewing your updated customer information, we have decided to deactivate your account because of some concerns we have regarding this information. Therefore, we have cancelled all your existing products and orders with us.

> Best regards

> Your Hetzner Online Team

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/rPrZka2

I suspected it was because I was using Apple's Private Relay VPN while creating the account, so I turned that off and signed up again with a different username/email address. No issues with the new account so far, but I continue to hear about other people having their accounts terminated.

I haven't moved anything serious over to Hetzner yet, but to be fair I wasn't intending to unless their ARM CPUs become available on private instances.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by spiffytech » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 11:07 PM UTC

apitman wrote: post #21

I maintain a list[0] of tunneling software a la ngrok or Cloudflare Tunnel and open source alternatives. I'm considering entering the commercial market and offering a hosted solution. These services tend to have very low CPU/RAM requirements, but relatively high network usage. This led me to comparing network usage pricing across VPS providers. Somewhat ironically, Hetzer's pricing (20TB/mo for a $5 VPS) is so good t…

If you go for one of their "unlimited" traffic options, beware that it's not actually unlimited:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32242987

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by notsylver » Tue, Aug 06, 2024, 11:55 PM UTC

I hope storage boxes come to Singapore, they're ridiculously affordable for backups. I don't see it happening though, considering the US datacenter still doesn't have them available. I can dream I guess - the ping from AU to EU/US is so high that it takes months to backup to them, but nothing else is affordable unless you're only backing up a few TB.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Expands to Singapore

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Post by awesomeMilou » Wed, Aug 07, 2024, 12:29 AM UTC

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #13

shay_ker wrote: post #10

How does Hetzner manage to be so much cheaper than AWS & GCP? Are the other cloud providers just making THAT much margin, or does Hetzner have a special angle?

We get asked this question a lot, so we wrote up an explanation: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/general/pricing/hetzner-prici... --Katie

> We try not to cross subsidize our products or services.

Could you then at least start offering object storage on top of your regular storage offerings in the cloud? You have repeatedly stated you won't do this, but I don't understand why. I think people using your services would pay a premium for an AWS compatible storage API.