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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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We face a number of challenges simply letting our paying customers change their search engine:

1. On iOS the list of allowed search engines is simply baked into OS, we have a fiddly extension that hooks outbound calls to /search and redirects them but I wish we didn't need to.

2. On Chrome, we use an extension to change the default search engine and enable search auto-complete etc, but Google has a policy that such an extension can do one thing and one thing only, and recently removed our extension on account of that [1]. We rebuilt it to meet their needs but had a lot of back-and-forth because we included 'search by image' on a context menu item and the first reviewer felt that was a bridge too far. You'll note that Chrome provides such a context menu item for Google Image search out of the box.

3. On Chrome for Linux, the default search engine API is not available, so Linux users have to configure it manually through a series of silly steps [2]. This is at least in keeping with most Linux experiences.

There are other issues, but I say all this to highlight how surprisingly difficult it is to change this setting in a practical, consumer friendly way. It is most certainly this difficult by design, that's a lot of revenue to protect.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41028924

2: https://github.com/kagisearch/chrome_extension_basic?tab=rea...

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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How does this finding actually help consumers, in real life? They get to choose a search engine (spoiler alert: it will be Google), and life moves on. Except, smaller browser projects now miss on that default search revenue, potentially entrenching Chrome as the dominant browser.

So, smaller browsers can’t help entrenching Google Search? Is that a bad thing? Aren’t all of those using the WebKit engine anyway?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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How does this finding actually help consumers, in real life? They get to choose a search engine (spoiler alert: it will be Google), and life moves on. Except, smaller browser projects now miss on that default search revenue, potentially entrenching Chrome as the dominant browser.

It gives people room to try, especially now with new entrants like perplexity that might offer better results.

Google search went to shit and ruined most of the web with it, by creating an SEO industry that's 100% focused on optimizing for their ranking signals.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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At the very least, I hope the Apple-Google ~~exclusivity~~ default agreement is revoked. I suppose it’ll take another year to figure out the actual remedies though.

Apple doesn't allow you to switch search engines on iPhone?

On iOS it’s only from a pre approved list. Want to use a less censored search like Brave? Nope, unless you use something other than Safari.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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How does this finding actually help consumers, in real life? They get to choose a search engine (spoiler alert: it will be Google), and life moves on. Except, smaller browser projects now miss on that default search revenue, potentially entrenching Chrome as the dominant browser.

>spoiler alert: it will be Google

With the recent LLM stuff, I'm not so sure. Maybe OpenAI will have searchGPT as an option. After all, for a mobile user interface that seems more appropriate since I'm not going to be banging out a complex query.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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This could be bad for Mozilla?

Yes. And seat belt laws are bad for hospitals and undertakers.

Can you please expand or explain on this analogy.

I'm struggling to connect how Google's last major browser engine competitor potentially losing it's funding due to a separate monopoly issue is similar to laws being passed to reduce death and hospitalizations.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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This could be bad for Mozilla?

> could be bad for Mozilla?

Just skimmed the ruling [1]. A pillar appears to be that “Google’s distribution agreements are exclusive.” So if Mozilla e.g. auctions off the next N installs default-search engine designation, it might work? (Also, the ruling doesn’t ban exclusive distribution agreements in general.)

[1] https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25032745/045110819896...

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