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Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by sandreas »

simcop2387 wrote: post #19
sandreas wrote: post #6

I would love to see the following: Coreboot support Better speakers ECC RAM support LPCAMM2 support (modern RAM to save power and space) Then it would be near perfect with Ryzen...

Yea I hope they can get far enough along to do these. LPCAMM2 might take longer than the others simply because it'll change the form factor of a lot of things so might need a new chassis but I'm definitely looking forward to it taking over in laptops. Coreboot would definitely be nice, the current BIOS/EFI is fairly simple and basic and doesn't support much. ECC I'd love but I also won't be surprised if it's never su…

Speakers are my pain point... Although I mostly use headphones, these speakers are just bad.

Lpcamm2 is inevitable in the long run, but doable today as Lenovo shows.

The other features would just be nice to have, but I'd love to see ECC capable CPUs in Notebooks, maybe just very efficient desktop ones!?

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by delusional »

Rhapso wrote: post #4

"We will send you merch" I get how paying somebody adds complication, but "we can't pay you but we can cover your travel, room, and board for these conferences we want you to advocate for us at" would be a much much better sell.

I get to do free labor AND get branded garbage sent to my house? Sign me up.

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

sandreas wrote: post #6

I would love to see the following: Coreboot support Better speakers ECC RAM support LPCAMM2 support (modern RAM to save power and space) Then it would be near perfect with Ryzen...

Experimental and requires closed binary blobs, but Coreboot 24.05 shipped with some Framework 13 support. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Coreboot-24.05-Released https://www.phoronix.com/news/Framework-13-AMD-Coreboot-WIP

Really hoping OpenSIL isnt dead in the water & that eventually it really is possible to have open init code for client and server Ryzens both. It's unclear what features are missing versus the binary blobs, and I don't think there's client device support, but at least the repo is around, and gets an occasional small update every couple months. I wish there were more signs of this really getting someplace someday. https://github.com/openSIL/openSIL

It is nice that there's open source embedded controller (EC) firmware on the Framework. Would be neat to see users modifying or adding to the EC to interesting ends, or perhaps even replacing it entirely! Oh slick, the EC on Framework 13 & 16 is based on Zephyr real time os (rtos)! https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController https://community.frame.work/t/open-source-ec-for-amd-based-...

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by croutonwagon »

ndneighbor wrote: post #17

As someone who used to run a similar program and be part of programs like these in the past, I am a bit underwhelmed by the structure of the program. This is framed like a way to get free labor, and is a PR miss on the company. Ambassador programs work best when you "deputize" community members who are already doing a good job spreading the word and you give them the maximum allowable resources. This is not that, at…

>This is framed like a way to get free labor, and is a PR miss on the company.

Not only that but it seems they are relying on free advertising tool under the guise of giving someone a shirt or hat.

I too, have a frame work. Heck i was thinking about them in a consideration of our laptop fleet. BUT, im not a fan of branding shirts like that. I tend to wear them in the yard or around the house. Similarly I dont donate to calyx because they give me stickers or shirts, in fact I ususally try to decline those things.

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by sandreas »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #23
sandreas wrote: post #6

I would love to see the following: Coreboot support Better speakers ECC RAM support LPCAMM2 support (modern RAM to save power and space) Then it would be near perfect with Ryzen...

Experimental and requires closed binary blobs, but Coreboot 24.05 shipped with some Framework 13 support. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Coreboot-24.05-Released https://www.phoronix.com/news/Framework-13-AMD-Coreboot-WIP Really hoping OpenSIL isnt dead in the water & that eventually it really is possible to have open init code for client and server Ryzens both. It's unclear what features are missing versus the binary…

cool thanks!

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by bravetraveler »

delusional wrote: post #22
Rhapso wrote: post #4

"We will send you merch" I get how paying somebody adds complication, but "we can't pay you but we can cover your travel, room, and board for these conferences we want you to advocate for us at" would be a much much better sell.

I get to do free labor AND get branded garbage sent to my house? Sign me up.

Two free jobs? I don't know what I'm going to do with all of this opportunity. /s

Give a few laptops to the distribution maintainers. That'll do more common good than this, because it's marketing.

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by bravetraveler »

reaperman wrote: post #11

If I may, I think the schism of opinion is caused by two things: 1) Those who view Framework as a mission vs. those who view it as a company. 2) The tone of the call-to-action being too formal to differentiate it from an employment opportunity at Framework-the-company. Many of us remember when Framework’s dream seemed like a moonshot, and many of us rallied behind it and evangelized. Now it seems like Framework “made…

This is well said, but amounts to: people don't see this as an investment because they aren't invested. Framework or whatever upstart isn't owed anything, outsiders don't/shouldn't care if it fails. Such is life.

It has a viral nature to it. Almost shaming someone for not supporting them. Anyone on the outside who sees things as you desire is already invested.

Remain objective: it is a company after all. The mission is the sales pitch. The goal is money. Maybe liberty with your devices, but definitely money and all of their salaries.

Said another way: Framework needs the Linux community. They don't need Framework.

My point, if I had one, is The Mission is a great way to gaslight people already doing free work. This is exactly how the "Flagship Killer" OnePlus became part of the problem. Riding communities, weaponized mantras.

Re: Framework is looking for Linux Community Ambassadors

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Post by bravetraveler »

nutrie wrote: post #3

Am I gonna get paid? No.

I vouched for this comment, was flagged. I understand it can be seen as trite - but if this call to action can advertise, we can reply/mock.

Don't quote the rules/guidelines to me, curious conversation doesn't happen all at once - or look like you think. This is used against dissenting opinion far too much.

I know folks here are partial to the scrappy upstart, but at least confront your bias. I'll share mine, comment sections - am I right? We can talk about them, hopefully amicably.

Criticism is fair, they're attempting PR. The smarter play, IMO, is with the distributions. They're doing this some already with Fedora.

Those people are at the conferences already. Make them your fans. They would love to help and are in the absolute best position to do so.

Framework wants free work from those who believe in the mission, ignoring the larger community - almost cannibalizing their own. They're willing to send stuff sitting on shelves, but not bring on Actual Staff.

The developers and integrators don't need a middleman. The users don't need more evangelism. They found Linux.

Framework wants influencers, advertising, and parasocial relationships. Work paid through exposure and trinkets.

They want people to believe Framework is grassroots/good for Linux. I want them to succeed but don't believe this is the way

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