I’m curious as I hadn’t seen it before and it’s gripping: Is the patterns showing in a polar plot of the prime numbers a recent discovery or is it long known and just used as an illustration? What is it called and what is its history?
Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
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Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
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I think this is where the move to elliptic curve comes in, and that seems well on its way. Both in signatures and handshakes (Diffie-Hellman). Perhaps it's not a one minute operation to DR, but I doubt everything would be open if RSA/DH was rendered insecure overnight. I know my SSH keys are a mixed bag right now.
does the move to elliptic crypto suggest that the people in the know expect prime factorisation to be broken soon?
Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is where the move to elliptic curve comes in, and that seems well on its way. Both in signatures and handshakes (Diffie-Hellman). Perhaps it's not a one minute operation to DR, but I doubt everything would be open if RSA/DH was rendered insecure overnight. I know my SSH keys are a mixed bag right now.
does the move to elliptic crypto suggest that the people in the know expect prime factorisation to be broken soon?
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does the move to elliptic crypto suggest that the people in the know expect prime factorisation to be broken soon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shor%27s_algorithm As soon as quantum computers have enough qbits prime factorisation can be done very quickly. Not sure the timeline on that as there are a lot of challenges in the technology and it is hideously expensive, but a lot of the move away from RSA to elliptic curves is driven by readiness for quantum computing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-quantum_cryptography
Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
#25It doesn't make it easier to "predict" without tracking all prior gaps, but it's not essentially a complex structure. Kind of funny that like such a simple structure is so elusive. Sorta like how the 3n + 1 sequence gives rise to such complexity. Or the logistic map with its parameter above the threshold.
Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
#26People always think the structure of primes is complex, but it's not really, it's just a recursive structure of the magnitude gaps not landed on by multiples of previous gaps. It doesn't make it easier to "predict" without tracking all prior gaps, but it's not essentially a complex structure. Kind of funny that like such a simple structure is so elusive. Sorta like how the 3n + 1 sequence gives rise to such complexit…
Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
does the move to elliptic crypto suggest that the people in the know expect prime factorisation to be broken soon?
Since no one mentioned, a major reason to prefer elliptic curves is that you can get equivalent security for much smaller key sizes.
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#28Why is taking methods from other fields an unorthodox move? I come from an engineering background an there it is the common case. The usage of harmonic analysis is a staple in many fields (audio, waves, electrical analysis, statistics) and of course the algorithms are pure math under the hood. If I want to find a reaccuring structure in an underlying system, wouldn't it be normal to try different plotting techniques and choose the one that suits my problem best?
Re: Breakthrough a step toward revealing hidden structure of prime numbers
#29This got me thinking. Imagine this discovery led to a larger breakthrough on prime numbers that allowed easy factorization of large integers and effectively rendered public key cryptography such as RSA ineffective overnight, by allowing anyone with a consumer-grade CPU to crack any production-size key. Does the industry have DR plans for this scenario? Can the big players quickly switch to a different, unbroken encry…
Before you start worrying about it though consider that RSA has held up for 47 years of active cryptanalysis so far - during which time many alternative algorithms have been suggested as being superior, only to be broken a short time later.
Also the push to switch to Elliptic-Curve algorithms has been more down to them being easier for computers to use to encrypt/decrypt data.
Personally if I had to bet on which public key algorithm will still be around in 10 years time then I'd put my money on RSA.