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Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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You think Israel could cover something like that up?

I don't think parent is hinting at a conspiracy, and more at "natural" selection based on omnipresence of peanuts. With no knowledge about how i goes for babies, the question would be how a 2~3 month allergic kid [0] would react to peanuts, including when not directly ingested. If it had adverse effects it would go along the line of what parent is describing. [0] can kids that age already be allergic to peanuts ?

So, at the end of a long thread full of information that discards genetics, your explanation for it is... genetics.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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Clean vs. dirty isn't even the right way to think about it. We used to be immersed in an environment full of life, and now we live in mostly sterile environments free of life except for maybe some of the first wave colonizer specialist microorganisms. You are filled and covered with life that isn't from your own genes, and that microbiome is now mostly disconnected from the biosphere. I get some weird skin issues som…

How fascinating. This reminds me that my autoimmune condition went into a brief and mysterious remission two summers ago, when I spent most weekends swimming in creeks. I will have to see if increased creek swimming this summer will help my autoimmune symptoms...

I hope it works. I can think of far more unpleasant treatments. Let us know the results!

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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Strictly speaking, if all babies eat peanuts, you'll get to "nearly non-existent" peanut allergy one way or another. But you need better data than that to conclude that the change comes from allergy prevention, rather than... allergy "removal". Edit: I guess I was just trying to say "surprising data needs detail." I should have just said that, instead of making light of how dangerous allergies are. Downvotes deserved…

You think Israel could cover something like that up?

No, I didn't mean to imply anything like that. I guess I was just trying to say "surprising data needs detail." I should have just said that, instead of making light of how dangerous allergies are. Downvotes deserved, lesson learned.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think parent is hinting at a conspiracy, and more at "natural" selection based on omnipresence of peanuts. With no knowledge about how i goes for babies, the question would be how a 2~3 month allergic kid [0] would react to peanuts, including when not directly ingested. If it had adverse effects it would go along the line of what parent is describing. [0] can kids that age already be allergic to peanuts ?

So, at the end of a long thread full of information that discards genetics, your explanation for it is... genetics.

I took it as a warning about potential misinterpretation of causes and effects, and in particular the difficulty to assign a single cause to the near absence of allergy in a population.

Allergies are a subject I need to know a lot more about, so sadly at this point I don't have an explanation for anything.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Israel could cover something like that up?

I don't think parent is hinting at a conspiracy, and more at "natural" selection based on omnipresence of peanuts. With no knowledge about how i goes for babies, the question would be how a 2~3 month allergic kid [0] would react to peanuts, including when not directly ingested. If it had adverse effects it would go along the line of what parent is describing. [0] can kids that age already be allergic to peanuts ?

I was not hinting at any conspiracy, and my comment wasn't directed toward Israel in particular (knowing nothing about the study that the top-level comment alluded to).

I was facetiously pointing out that a population where everyone eats peanuts at a young age is likely to be allergy-free if only due to the fact that those with peanut allergies would die, and therefore would no longer be allergic to peanuts. A naive analysis of the data could lead to a conclusion that eating peanuts at a young age causes a favorable change in allergy outcomes later in life.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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I always think about the low incidence of peanut allergies in developing countries and wonder if the mother's diet during pregnancy has an effect on allergies in children? Has this been researched? Because instead of introducing peanuts and eggs to babies, introducing it to mothers is almost a no brainer.

Allergies are weird and our understanding of them is very incomplete. My son has/had a peanut allergy (very successful oral immunotherapy, knock on wood) and I ended up doing a lot of research. One study that is particular interesting is this one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26728850/ It shows that east asian children, who very rarely have nut allergies in their home countries, develop nut allergies at a higher r…

This is what our allergist said. Living in Australia wife and I are both asian both eat peanuts. No peanut allergies in either families. Wife ate peanuts while pregnant but son has peanut allergy.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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I always think about the low incidence of peanut allergies in developing countries and wonder if the mother's diet during pregnancy has an effect on allergies in children? Has this been researched? Because instead of introducing peanuts and eggs to babies, introducing it to mothers is almost a no brainer.

It most likely has to do with how bored our immune systems are. We evolved to be constantly dirty, and we live in an extremely clean society. When your immune system has a lot to fight, it doesn't worry to much about dumb shit like pollen and peanuts.

How do you see reactivity to house dust, air pollution, stuff like asbestos and adjacent construction materials etc. ? Then I'd assume the living ecosystem also shifted from mostly open air to indoor insects, i.e. "life finds a way"

We sure aren't exposed to the same things as 4 centuries ago, but I can't imagine we're living a what anyone would call a "clean" environment.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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No link because I'm on mobile, but I remember reading about how peanut allergy in Israel is nearly non-existent. This is notable because: 1) Israelis come from all over the world, and the incidence of peanut allergies are lower in, say, Sephardic Jews living in Israel compared to Sephardic Jews living in Spain. 2) a very popular snack there for kids(but also adults) are these peanut butter corn-puffs called "Bambas"(…

Strictly speaking, if all babies eat peanuts, you'll get to "nearly non-existent" peanut allergy one way or another. But you need better data than that to conclude that the change comes from allergy prevention, rather than... allergy "removal". Edit: I guess I was just trying to say "surprising data needs detail." I should have just said that, instead of making light of how dangerous allergies are. Downvotes deserved…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamba_(snack)#Peanut_allergy

You can click on the footnotes for sources.

Re: Australia starts peanut allergy treatment for babies

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It most likely has to do with how bored our immune systems are. We evolved to be constantly dirty, and we live in an extremely clean society. When your immune system has a lot to fight, it doesn't worry to much about dumb shit like pollen and peanuts.

How do you see reactivity to house dust, air pollution, stuff like asbestos and adjacent construction materials etc. ? Then I'd assume the living ecosystem also shifted from mostly open air to indoor insects, i.e. "life finds a way" We sure aren't exposed to the same things as 4 centuries ago, but I can't imagine we're living a what anyone would call a "clean" environment.

Those are not microorganisms, and don’t necessarily trigger your immune system in the same way.
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