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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by crazygringo »

debacle wrote: post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The network effects are too strong.

Remember, the only reason Reddit "won" was because Digg destroyed itself with a radical upgrade that everyone hated.

Reddit would have to do something similarly self-inflicted, and I can't even guess where people would go. Reddit was already an alternative to Digg -- what's the alternative to Reddit? I mean, it's certainly not Quora.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

This is an interesting development.

How many other sites might have leverage to charge to be indexed?

I don't want to live in a world where you have to use X search engine to get answers from Y site - but this seems like the beginning of that world.

From an efficiency perspective - it's obviously better for websites to just lease their data to search engines then both sides paying tons of bandwidth and compute to get that data onto search engines.

Realistically, there are only 2 search engines now.

This seems very bad for Kagi - but possibly could lead the old, cool, hobbiest & un-monetized web being reinvented?

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by dvngnt_ »

crazygringo wrote: post #18
nerfbatplz wrote: post #11

I propose we change the term enshitification to engoogleification in regards to the internet.

This is about Reddit disallowing other search engines. Blame Reddit, not Google.

plenty of blame to go around

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by rozab »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #23

site:reddit.com works for kagi for new posts this week?

Basically all 'independent' search engines piggyback off Google or Bing

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

>Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by AndroidKitKat »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #23

site:reddit.com works for kagi for new posts this week?

Kagi gets part of their index from Google, per the article, so perhaps that's the reason Kagi still works. Wonder if Vlad and Kagi will do (or have done) the calculus to see if buying crawlability from Reddit itself is cheaper than buying results from Google for Reddit search.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by jedberg »

They changed robots.txt a month or so ago. For the first 19 years of life, reddit had a very permissive robots.txt. We allowed all by default and then only restricted certain poorly behaved agents (and Bender's Shiny Metal Ass(tm))

But I can understand why they made the change they did. The data was being abused.

My guess is that this was an oversight -- that they will do an audit and reopen it for search engines after those engines agree not to use the data for training, because let's face it, reddit is a for profit business and they have to protect their income streams.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by api »

debacle wrote: post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

Networks effects are more powerful than we are. Witness the number of people who despise Xhitter but are still on there. Once something has a sufficient network effect they become immune to normal market forces and able to abuse their position with near impunity.
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