I make those decks ( https://punkx.org/ ) to help me teach my daughter, and so far they seem very effective, especially the unix pipes one and the 4917 machine code https://punkx.org/4917/ and the pointers deck https://punkx.org/c-pointer-game/ , from the python deck I use only 10 cards or so btw, you might also like https://punkx.org/overflow/ which is a buffer overflow riscv assembly board game, or depending on you…
The Unix Pipe Card Game
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#22$19 shipping (Canada) is a little outrageous anybody in Greater Vancouver wanna do a bulk order w me?
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#24Are kids these days actually able to grasp things like this? I don't have kids and am never around them, so please take this question as genuine and in good faith.
Not sure about kids, but I've seen university students that literally did not know how to use a non iOS computing device. Colleagues had to start explaining what a file is, a folder, etc etc, in their courses. Honestly I don't find that too bad. My guess is that computers will go the same way cars did: Most people will only know the very basics that are needed to operate the thing. Any deeper knowledge will be left t…
What is a file, what is a program, how programs run and how programs communicate, is not understood by most people (including most CS students).
> Honestly I don't find that too bad.
I understand what you mean, it is the same with most technology, users just use it, as your example of cars, or even furniture, or forks and spoons, or language, I am not even sure it is related to complexity.
But I disagree on what it means to use a computer, because unlike other machines, it does what you make of it (now even more, with llama 3.1 out), I think to use a computer means to program it. Somehow in the last 30-40 years, user interfaces gave up on their users. You dont own your programs, your files or in many cases even your computer, it doesnt start the programs you want(iphone for example), and you cant debug other programs (e.g. in case of macos you cant gdb -p into signed programs unless you disable the system's integrity protection).
Somehow we managed to squeeze all the fun out of it. As John Carmack says: the distance between what it is, and what it could be, is the opportunity, and I am sure people can have way more fun programming :)
This commodore 64 user guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9WnHuGjZ38 is my inspiration.
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#26Great until you play a minimal game with somebody who grew up on awk, perl, etc
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure about kids, but I've seen university students that literally did not know how to use a non iOS computing device. Colleagues had to start explaining what a file is, a folder, etc etc, in their courses. Honestly I don't find that too bad. My guess is that computers will go the same way cars did: Most people will only know the very basics that are needed to operate the thing. Any deeper knowledge will be left t…
> what a file is What is a file, what is a program, how programs run and how programs communicate, is not understood by most people (including most CS students). > Honestly I don't find that too bad. I understand what you mean, it is the same with most technology, users just use it, as your example of cars, or even furniture, or forks and spoons, or language, I am not even sure it is related to complexity. But I disa…
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what a file is What is a file, what is a program, how programs run and how programs communicate, is not understood by most people (including most CS students). > Honestly I don't find that too bad. I understand what you mean, it is the same with most technology, users just use it, as your example of cars, or even furniture, or forks and spoons, or language, I am not even sure it is related to complexity. But I disa…
The first class of my CS degree was "How to use Microsoft Word" and some of the other students had a really, really hard time figuring this out. Including the guy next to me who kept telling me he had a job lined up already to write software for nuclear reactors in Pascal.
To be fair to the other guy, early versions of MS Word sucked when it came to LaTeX representations of integrals and nuclear decay chain notations.
Perhaps more recent versions do better.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what a file is What is a file, what is a program, how programs run and how programs communicate, is not understood by most people (including most CS students). > Honestly I don't find that too bad. I understand what you mean, it is the same with most technology, users just use it, as your example of cars, or even furniture, or forks and spoons, or language, I am not even sure it is related to complexity. But I disa…
The first class of my CS degree was "How to use Microsoft Word" and some of the other students had a really, really hard time figuring this out. Including the guy next to me who kept telling me he had a job lined up already to write software for nuclear reactors in Pascal.
I can't find it right now. Maybe I should try Bing search
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#30I make those decks ( https://punkx.org/ ) to help me teach my daughter, and so far they seem very effective, especially the unix pipes one and the 4917 machine code https://punkx.org/4917/ and the pointers deck https://punkx.org/c-pointer-game/ , from the python deck I use only 10 cards or so btw, you might also like https://punkx.org/overflow/ which is a buffer overflow riscv assembly board game, or depending on you…