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Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

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Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#21
It does seem a bit weird to me that SpaceX was never based out of Houston and has such a small presence. They have the NASA base there and scores of private space companies, and the lack of zoning means the housing problem is permanently fixed (at least until someone zones the city). Moving Starlink production to Austin just feels like moving to a worse but slightly cheaper San Francisco.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#22
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I agree with Musk about the California law, but a CEO is supposed to make decisions for a company to increase shareholder value (and arguably benefit other stakeholders), not to make political points. 'His disclosures followed the move by California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, to sign a new law Monday that aims to prevent schools from informing families if their children identify as gay or transgender. “This is th…

>“This is the final straw,” Musk wrote on X, the social-media platform he owns. He cited the law as well as “many others that preceded it, attacking both families and companies.”' Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry that the government isn't forcing trans children to tell their hateful parents they're trans. If your children aren't comfortable telling you things like this, that's a failure of you as a…

Yeah it's pretty crazy considering Musk's own family backstory. Is he butthurt that his transgender child went no-contact on him before he could kick them out of the family himself?

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#23
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon doesn't live with most of his kids - why would he even care? His reason for moving is the taxes are less in Texas for now and the laws will turn a blind eye to environmental damage his companies do. As the population continues to grow in Tx that will change. Elon should be required to get a trolling license. Yes - I agree (I am a parent) that the law is stupid. If a kid doesn't want their parents to know somethi…

> Yes - I agree (I am a parent) that the law is stupid. If a kid doesn't want their parents to know something they should do it the old fashion way and lie as I did and my parents did before me etc:) The law seems to be about making it possible for kids to lie without the school snitching on them. You should be in favor of this law, no?

First the :) means I was somewhat joking. Second as much as I love CA the state has become increasingly interested in creating unenforcible and intrusive laws. Although I can see a case for protecting children from abusive parents (we have laws for that already) it seems to ignore other things. Like the following:

1. AFAIK - If a kid decides to change their pronoun around their friends the school is not required to report that now and would likely not even know or care. If they do no make an official request to Teachers or staff etc then who's to know. This reminds of when fundamentalist claimed prayer was banned in schools. That has never been the case. School lead or Staff lead prayer was banned. Any child that wished to pray before eating lunch was totally free to do so.

2. It assumes that knee jerk reaction on the part of all fundamentalist parents. (feels weird for an atheist to defend fundamentalist but here we are)

3. Where's the data to back this decision up?

4. There are likely situations where it might be important for the parent to know what their child is doing. What if they are in a cult and want to change their name to unintelligible gibberish - wait Musk is probably ok with that. What if someone is convincing them to get illegal surgery?

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#24
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“This is the final straw,” Musk wrote on X, the social-media platform he owns. He cited the law as well as “many others that preceded it, attacking both families and companies.”' Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry that the government isn't forcing trans children to tell their hateful parents they're trans. If your children aren't comfortable telling you things like this, that's a failure of you as a…

> Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry These are very strong accusations. Do you have a reference or is this just an emotional response?

> Do you have a reference

She is quoted saying she no longer wishes "to be related to [her] biological father in any way, shape or form" [1]. Musk has publicly ranted about the estrangement, which isn't usually how one mends ties with family [2]. While I have no personal insight into the situation, it's fair to say Musk hates the estrangement and that his child, at the very least, wants nothing to do with him.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elon-musks-child-seeks-...

[2] https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/10/10/elon-musk-says-he-los...

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#25
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“This is the final straw,” Musk wrote on X, the social-media platform he owns. He cited the law as well as “many others that preceded it, attacking both families and companies.”' Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry that the government isn't forcing trans children to tell their hateful parents they're trans. If your children aren't comfortable telling you things like this, that's a failure of you as a…

I think this is a very important post; thank you for writing it. In general, if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward. Parenting looks very very hard and I'm not implying this is easy - being worthy of trust is one of the hardest things in all our relationships. I do, however, think people need to reckon with the fact that a lo…

> if your kids don't trust you then fixing that should be your first priority before you start pointing fingers everywhere but inward

While the present state of Musk and his daughter's relationship is detestable, I don't think we can conclude they didn't try--in private--to mend the relationship before she concluded it was a lost cause.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#26
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>“This is the final straw,” Musk wrote on X, the social-media platform he owns. He cited the law as well as “many others that preceded it, attacking both families and companies.”' Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry that the government isn't forcing trans children to tell their hateful parents they're trans. If your children aren't comfortable telling you things like this, that's a failure of you as a…

> Man who hates that his trans child hates him angry These are very strong accusations. Do you have a reference or is this just an emotional response?

This is discussed in the Walter Isaacson biography that came out last year. Saying he “hates” his daughter is completely wrong and ignores first hand claims from both Musk and his biographer.

>Musk only learned she had transitioned through a secondhand source

>The wife of Elon's brother got a text, Isaacson wrote, which said: "Hey, I'm transgender, and my name is now Jenna". The text from the child, as in the biography, added: "Don't tell my dad."

>The biographer said that Musk was "generally sanguine" when he found out she had transitioned but was hurt when she cut off communication with him.

>The rift pained him more than anything in his life since the infant death of his firstborn child Nevada," Isaacson wrote of Musk's feelings about his relationship with his 19-year-old daughter.

>Isaacson said that Musk blamed the disconnect between him and his daughter on her schooling at Crossroads, a private school she attended in Los Angeles. Musk has made similar comments publicly.

>Last year, he told the Financial Times his daughter didn't want to be associated with him because of what he called the "full-on communism" taught in schools.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-comments-relations...

This all explains why he has had such an anti-woke streak, he blames the ideology for poisoning one of his kids against him.

Definitely recommend reading the biography, it’s very interesting.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#29

I agree with Musk about the California law, but a CEO is supposed to make decisions for a company to increase shareholder value (and arguably benefit other stakeholders), not to make political points. 'His disclosures followed the move by California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, to sign a new law Monday that aims to prevent schools from informing families if their children identify as gay or transgender. “This is th…

To be clear, the main animating force in Elon's life over the last few years is his oldest coming out as trans. That's why he bought Twitter and turned it into a nonstop Klan rally, that's why he supports Trump, that's why he opposes this law. His first-born is trans.

> His first-born is trans.

Apropos of the rest of your point, his first-born died of SIDS at 10 weeks.

Re: Musk Says He Will Move X and SpaceX Headquarters Out of California

#30

It does seem a bit weird to me that SpaceX was never based out of Houston and has such a small presence. They have the NASA base there and scores of private space companies, and the lack of zoning means the housing problem is permanently fixed (at least until someone zones the city). Moving Starlink production to Austin just feels like moving to a worse but slightly cheaper San Francisco.

Makes sense that SpaceX was in LA because it is one of the historic rocket design hubs, if not the rocket design capital of the world.
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