In before the hate train starts rolling full steam ahead right over Microsoft. This is a fantastic decision, they obviously really had no choice otherwise a lot of people would have abandoned Windows 8 development and Microsoft would have looked bad launching an OS that didn't have many supported applications. As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more?…
Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
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Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#22In before the hate train starts rolling full steam ahead right over Microsoft. This is a fantastic decision, they obviously really had no choice otherwise a lot of people would have abandoned Windows 8 development and Microsoft would have looked bad launching an OS that didn't have many supported applications. As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more?…
I understand that Microsoft does not want to perpetuate Windows XP support but, for this single reason, I will not be able to upgrade to VS 2012. This means missing on the latest c++ features and also means maintaining two developement trees if I decide to develop a WinRt version.
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#23In before the hate train starts rolling full steam ahead right over Microsoft. This is a fantastic decision, they obviously really had no choice otherwise a lot of people would have abandoned Windows 8 development and Microsoft would have looked bad launching an OS that didn't have many supported applications. As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more?…
As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more? Because Windows XP is stable, it works and a lot of companies and people are still using it. If anything, Microsoft is to be blamed for not providing a compelling reason to upgrade. Windows Vista was awful, while Windows 7 is just a re-branded Vista with a little more polish applied. Which is why at home I stil…
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that there were about four or five posts on the front page about the changes to the express version changes it would that a lot of people care. I'm glad Microsoft listened to people on this one.
I've only seen this one. Is HN bubbling us in? By this I mean an effect similar to google search results being personalized to the person who is searching.
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#25Funny ... I haven't heard anyone crying. Oh yeah, they're all developing HTML5 applications that will run on Chrome and Firefox and maybe Internet Explorer. Why worry about the OS' look and feel?
Given that there were about four or five posts on the front page about the changes to the express version changes it would that a lot of people care. I'm glad Microsoft listened to people on this one.
As developers, isn't platform independence finally within our reach? We've been corralled into corporate SDKs, libraries and APIs for years and we've now broken free in much the same way we did on the CLI when C became standardized (yeah ... there are still issues with that too).
At the same time I'm wondering what corporate users are going to think of a radically different desktop (and one that looks more "toy-like"). We're a pretty adaptable crowd, but retraining costs are going to be as bad as when Office became ribbon-based. And where's my "Start" menu?
I'm not a Microsoft hater, but I don't think it's bad that they're less dominant.
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#26Off topic: the "headlinese" title of this article results in syntactic ambiguity. I read it as: The coder who built Microsoft Answers ( http://answers.microsoft.com/ ) cried because of a new development kit. Related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_path_sentence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_blossom#In_headlines
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#27In before the hate train starts rolling full steam ahead right over Microsoft. This is a fantastic decision, they obviously really had no choice otherwise a lot of people would have abandoned Windows 8 development and Microsoft would have looked bad launching an OS that didn't have many supported applications. As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more?…
I understand that Microsoft does not want to perpetuate Windows XP support but, for this single reason, I will not be able to upgrade to VS 2012. This means missing on the latest c++ features and also means maintaining two developement trees if I decide to develop a WinRt version.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's exactly what the motivation for the "Metro/WinRT" strategy for Windows 8 was in the first place, though - to get more developers writing directly for (new versions of) Windows rather than relying on third-party (or even first-party) runtime layers.
WinRT feels foreign on many fronts. I'm evaluating Win8 for us, and I compiled few of the examples that MS provided. My absolute first impression was that it's hard to debug these applications: While there was a time, where few or more files were auto-generated, now there are dozens more. On top of that not one project, but two - one container (dll, your app), the other one - the runner (some small exe). And then pre…
There is a lot of weird FUD about the desktop being "legacy" and on its way out, and although that's not something Microsoft has actually said it does come partly from them being overeager to hype their new thing because it's their new thing, and partly from the press echo chamber liking to hype things in general. But it's completely absurd.
re debugging, I think there is an "emulator" you can use which is really a remoting session into your own machine, but it will run your app in a window.
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#29It seems like the risk of not collecting $500 from a bunch of developers is peanuts compared to the real threat MSFT now faces of people choosing to develop non Windows-specific apps which happen to still work on Windows. How many "apps" have you installed lately which are really just local servers with web front-ends? Qt-based stuff? Java SWT/Swing? What else? While many of these apps likely are built upon 3rd party…
True they still control a huge proportion of the desktop market, but most of that is business desktops. Apple's market share is heavily lopsided towards the high end consumer market. It's similar to their position with the iPhone. They have a minority market share, but its the most valuable part of the market. For over a decade Microsoft has essentially been able to behave as if they have no competition, while Apple…
Re: Microsoft Answers Coder Cries Over New Development Kit
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
As for Windows XP support, why would Microsoft add in support for an OS they don't really support any more? Because Windows XP is stable, it works and a lot of companies and people are still using it. If anything, Microsoft is to be blamed for not providing a compelling reason to upgrade. Windows Vista was awful, while Windows 7 is just a re-branded Vista with a little more polish applied. Which is why at home I stil…
That's wrong. 7 is really good. Comparing it to vista or xp shows you don't know what you are talking about.