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The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by mjlee »

surfingdino wrote: post #16

I wish the Brits never touched bread recipes. Or the Germans for that matter. I was born in Eastern Europe and raised in simple, tasty bread baked in local bakeries. These days I have to go to small town in France or Italy to get decent bread. What is sold in Britain as bread is nothing of the sort and the "local artisanal" bakeries are often using wholesale produced dough which they simply put in their oven and call…

Which IPAs are made from concentrate? I've never heard of this.

Some beers are brewed at a higher gravity and then diluted with water to bring to the correct strength - this allows the breweries to get more beer out of their brewing capacity.

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by surfingdino »

mjlee wrote: post #21
surfingdino wrote: post #16

I wish the Brits never touched bread recipes. Or the Germans for that matter. I was born in Eastern Europe and raised in simple, tasty bread baked in local bakeries. These days I have to go to small town in France or Italy to get decent bread. What is sold in Britain as bread is nothing of the sort and the "local artisanal" bakeries are often using wholesale produced dough which they simply put in their oven and call…

Which IPAs are made from concentrate? I've never heard of this. Some beers are brewed at a higher gravity and then diluted with water to bring to the correct strength - this allows the breweries to get more beer out of their brewing capacity.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be...

https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by anfractuosity »

surfingdino wrote: post #22
mjlee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which IPAs are made from concentrate? I've never heard of this. Some beers are brewed at a higher gravity and then diluted with water to bring to the correct strength - this allows the breweries to get more beer out of their brewing capacity.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

Huh, that's just a (poor) homebrew thing, however there's many decent homebrew shops that sell malt, nitrogen flushed hops etc. For example - https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk

Additionally the UK also makes very high quality malt including malt made from heritage grains and floor malted, which I've had in IPA form.

There are many decent IPAs available in the UK, such as American style ones comparable to beers such Heady Topper etc. Or more traditional ones such as made by Fullers etc.

Check out breweries such as Thornbridge / Verdant / Polly's / Cloudwater / Siren / DEYA etc.

Very curious as to what IPAs you've had.

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by mjlee »

surfingdino wrote: post #22
mjlee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which IPAs are made from concentrate? I've never heard of this. Some beers are brewed at a higher gravity and then diluted with water to bring to the correct strength - this allows the breweries to get more beer out of their brewing capacity.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

Sure, I forgot about those. Those are homebrew kits, nothing to do with the IPA you buy at a pub or bar. You can't make a sweeping statement about IPAs based on those.

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by Dylanfm »

There's a 3 part podcast series on good bread from the great UK-based regen farming podcast Farmerama https://farmerama.co/arable/good-bread-part-1-what-is-good-b... Dips into this and talks to people involved in the good bread movement.

Here in the northern Scottish highlands it's hard to find good bread. Which led us to learn to bake our own sourdough. But there are some good things popping up, like a local baker who is now doing a People's Loaf pay as you can https://www.northern-times.co.uk/news/sutherland-artisan-bak...

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by Nursie »

CaptainMarvel wrote: post #12
Nursie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the supermarkets should have quite a bit in their 'fresh' section that's made more normally. Particularly look for sourdough - even if it's not real sourdough you should find stuff that's had a decent amount of time to rise. Beyond that - visit a bakers or a market or something.

The "fresh" section in supermarkets is indeed in quotes because often it is not fresh [0] and it is not real sourdough [1]. They certainly give the impression that it is though! [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/11/fou... [1]: https://www.sustainweb.org/news/dec23-lidl-sourdough-sourfau...

It's certainly not real sourdough, but where it has been given time to rise more naturally it will often say so, and that implies it is not a product of the chorleywood process. Could be wrong though!

But yes, I'm not surprised the supermarkets skirt as close as they can to the law and mislabel with wanton abandon.

Best stick to independent bakers where possible.

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by Nursie »

surfingdino wrote: post #22
mjlee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which IPAs are made from concentrate? I've never heard of this. Some beers are brewed at a higher gravity and then diluted with water to bring to the correct strength - this allows the breweries to get more beer out of their brewing capacity.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

LOL, those are cheat kits for homebrewers, and pretty poor ones at that. It's not how a competent homebrewer makes beer, let alone a commercial brewery.

Someone has sold you a fairytale about IPA production because they don't like the style.

(edit - you'll notice at those shops they are selling all sorts of styles as concentrates, including "Polish hopped beer" - https://browin.com/shop/beer-brewing/coopers-concentrates )

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by surfingdino »

mjlee wrote: post #24
surfingdino wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

Sure, I forgot about those. Those are homebrew kits, nothing to do with the IPA you buy at a pub or bar. You can't make a sweeping statement about IPAs based on those.

Yes, I can. BrewVo is already selling their concentrate process to the "craft beer" market, check out their partners https://brewvo.com/

More on the process here https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/concentrated-beer...

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by surfingdino »

anfractuosity wrote: post #23
surfingdino wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

Huh, that's just a (poor) homebrew thing, however there's many decent homebrew shops that sell malt, nitrogen flushed hops etc. For example - https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk Additionally the UK also makes very high quality malt including malt made from heritage grains and floor malted, which I've had in IPA form. There are many decent IPAs available in the UK, such as American style ones comparable to beers such Head…

Heady Topper? 8% alcohol. Seems a good fit for the UK market. I tried most IPAs available in London and France and they seems to me to go in two directions: 2x percentage of alcohol or using various syrups. They invariable give me headaches and I keep coming back to traditional beer.

Re: The Chorleywood Experiment (2023)

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Post by surfingdino »

Nursie wrote: post #27
surfingdino wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://browin.com/shop/product/407400/brew-a-ipa-coopers-be... https://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/beer-concentrate-pat-...

LOL, those are cheat kits for homebrewers, and pretty poor ones at that. It's not how a competent homebrewer makes beer, let alone a commercial brewery. Someone has sold you a fairytale about IPA production because they don't like the style. (edit - you'll notice at those shops they are selling all sorts of styles as concentrates, including "Polish hopped beer" - https://browin.com/shop/beer-brewing/coopers-concentra…

These are small fish, the big fish but beer concentrate tech from https://brewvo.com/
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