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The Right Kind of Stubborn

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Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#21
PG's distinction between persistent and obstinate is pretty much captured by the ideas of growth mindset and fixed mindset in psychology.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/growth-mindset

My question is always, how do you get someone with a more fixed mindset attitude to adopt a growth mindset way of relating to the world? It's so hard, but it makes such a difference.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#22
Obstinate people are stubborn about the approach to solving a problem, Persistent people are flexible in how they solve a problem.

Both don't give up solving the problem. The latter solves them better because of they learn, adjust, and adapt.

There, now you don't have to read the article.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#24
post #19

> "The persistent are attached to the goal. The obstinate are attached to their ideas about how to reach it." I didn't know what the word "obstinate" meant so here you go: "stubbornly adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion." While PG's quote suggests a clear distinction, it's overly simplistic. Persistence and obstinacy often overlap in practice, sharing traits like en…

> While PG's quote suggests a clear distinction

No it doesn't. The essay includes multiple parts talking about how the things are related, similar, sometimes indistinguishable, and also that it can be a spectrum.

In fact, arguably the entire thesis of the essay is how the two traits have both similarities and differences and that it is complicated.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#25
I often wonder into which of these two categories I fall with my epaper calendars.

On the one hand, I’ve been working on this product for four years, put every free minute into it, and it still doesn’t make enough money for me to quit my job.

On the other hand, the product keeps getting better as I work on it, and I have now sold 500 of them.

But sometimes I feel like I can’t keep going like this. Two jobs and a family is just too much.

I think I should either quit my job and properly focus on it, relying on savings until the sales can support me. Or put the project into maintenance mode (I will keep the lights on for at least 10 years, no matter what).

What would you advise me to do?

This is the product: https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-cale...

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#27
Funnily enough, 'obstinate' was one of the first words I picked up in ESL, fresh off the boat. I loved throwing it into conversations just to practice and feel smart... And here I am, years later, reflecting on that word.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#28
Within the context of persistent people at the top of the decision tree, how often are persistent people labeled obstinate because they disagree with another persistent person (likely their boss) on a decision that will likely lead to 2 separate but nearly successful outcomes?

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#29

I often wonder into which of these two categories I fall with my epaper calendars. On the one hand, I’ve been working on this product for four years, put every free minute into it, and it still doesn’t make enough money for me to quit my job. On the other hand, the product keeps getting better as I work on it, and I have now sold 500 of them. But sometimes I feel like I can’t keep going like this. Two jobs and a fami…

I would advise you to plan out the options to the best of your ability, then have a long conversation with your spouse presenting those options.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

#30

I often wonder into which of these two categories I fall with my epaper calendars. On the one hand, I’ve been working on this product for four years, put every free minute into it, and it still doesn’t make enough money for me to quit my job. On the other hand, the product keeps getting better as I work on it, and I have now sold 500 of them. But sometimes I feel like I can’t keep going like this. Two jobs and a fami…

Sounds like a marketing problem. It wouldn't be weird at all to see that at every bookstore in the country. So why isn't it there? Are you focusing on making the product better forever, instead of getting it in front of people, or tuning it to what they are most eager to pay for, or tuning the website to get more sales? What beliefs are causing you to make that mistake? Are you scared of those parts, and therefore avoiding them and convincing yourself they're not important?

It sounds like you wish to be able to live off this work, yet you're not modeling the gap between where you are and where you want to be correctly (clearly, or you wouldn't be asking for help). So yes, you are being stubborn, but that doesn't mean the project is doomed. Just that you need to step back and look at the problems holistically.

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