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Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by irtefa »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #20
irtefa wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false. I am one of the co-founders of Jam. We hired 3 engineers who applied to us because they saw our post here. We don’t post here for advertising.

I have multiple reports from people who applied and didn't hear back. Can you share some data of how many applications you received and responded to?

We receive a lot of applications. But most people don’t qualify because we are looking for a specific skill set. Very few people make it to the initial phone screen and then a subset of them end up in the following rounds. I just looked at our typeform and found that we received 54 (72 the month before)submissions during the week when we posted on HN. (As they don’t specify how they found out about us in the Typeform, I am making an assumption here that 100% of the people who applied during that week was from HN).

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by tobr »

irtefa wrote: post #21
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have multiple reports from people who applied and didn't hear back. Can you share some data of how many applications you received and responded to?

We receive a lot of applications. But most people don’t qualify because we are looking for a specific skill set. Very few people make it to the initial phone screen and then a subset of them end up in the following rounds. I just looked at our typeform and found that we received 54 (72 the month before)submissions during the week when we posted on HN. (As they don’t specify how they found out about us in the Typeform…

The concern was about how many you responded to.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by solardev »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #20
irtefa wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is false. I am one of the co-founders of Jam. We hired 3 engineers who applied to us because they saw our post here. We don’t post here for advertising.

I have multiple reports from people who applied and didn't hear back. Can you share some data of how many applications you received and responded to?

(Not related to the company) Isn't it pretty normal to never hear back unless they want to schedule an interview?

Especially after the last two years with hundreds of thousands of laid off devs, companies are probably flooded with applications.

It's nice when they have a form letter, even nicer when a real person takes the time to reject you, but I wouldn't expect either as a matter of course.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

#24

Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

irtefa wrote: post #21
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have multiple reports from people who applied and didn't hear back. Can you share some data of how many applications you received and responded to?

We receive a lot of applications. But most people don’t qualify because we are looking for a specific skill set. Very few people make it to the initial phone screen and then a subset of them end up in the following rounds. I just looked at our typeform and found that we received 54 (72 the month before)submissions during the week when we posted on HN. (As they don’t specify how they found out about us in the Typeform…

So the ones who do not match the narrow skill set you are looking for do not get any response if I understand correctly?

Would that number be 90%?

Also 54 is not a lot. Consider responding to all candidates at your scale which is still very tiny.

Github gets a much larger number of applications (1000s) and they still respond with a lot more details about why they reject people.

I work with a lot of mentorship and coaching of young tech folks and this can drastically improve how people think of you.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by yellow_lead »

smilliken wrote: post #16
yellow_lead wrote: post #9

There's also a company called MixRank that continuously posts the same openings but apparently never hires anyone.

We've been hiring non-stop for years. It's a lot of work to review resumes and interview candidates, I can't imagine why we'd keep it up if we weren't making good hires. I'll admit that we are selective. Our positions are in high demand, I think partly due to macro reasons, and I think partly because we make an effort to offer entry-level positions with training. I'm sad that you (or someone you know) didn't have a g…

Thanks, this is something that I read under one of MixRank's hiring posts on HN, and I thought might be true since I always see the same positions listed as well.

It makes sense that you're continuously hiring. It may be hard for me or others to differentiate that when the listed roles + post content are the same.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by johnnyanmac »

> Just wondering why a company posts a job on HN without having actual openings.

Ghost jobs. In addition to interviewers ghosting candidates, it's been a trend on the rise these past few years: https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-gho...

TL;DR there's 3 primary motivations:

1. -Lie- convince shareholders that they are still growing

2. -Lie- convince existing, overworked employees that help is coming

3. -Lie- conform to regulations for future offshorting/H1-B's.

#1 thing I'd want looked into from these job boards. It's fraud in sheep's clothing.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by johnnyanmac »

smilliken wrote: post #16
yellow_lead wrote: post #9

There's also a company called MixRank that continuously posts the same openings but apparently never hires anyone.

We've been hiring non-stop for years. It's a lot of work to review resumes and interview candidates, I can't imagine why we'd keep it up if we weren't making good hires. I'll admit that we are selective. Our positions are in high demand, I think partly due to macro reasons, and I think partly because we make an effort to offer entry-level positions with training. I'm sad that you (or someone you know) didn't have a g…

> I can't imagine why we'd keep it up if we weren't making good hires.

I imagine quite a few reasons. Some malicious, some giving the benefit of the doubt.

I'll hold my tongue, but the most important aspect is to at least candidates in the loop. There's so much ghosting and that's worse than any rejection.

Re: Tell HN: BuildZoom posts jobs on HN, but no actual openings available

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #24
irtefa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We receive a lot of applications. But most people don’t qualify because we are looking for a specific skill set. Very few people make it to the initial phone screen and then a subset of them end up in the following rounds. I just looked at our typeform and found that we received 54 (72 the month before)submissions during the week when we posted on HN. (As they don’t specify how they found out about us in the Typeform…

So the ones who do not match the narrow skill set you are looking for do not get any response if I understand correctly? Would that number be 90%? Also 54 is not a lot. Consider responding to all candidates at your scale which is still very tiny. Github gets a much larger number of applications (1000s) and they still respond with a lot more details about why they reject people. I work with a lot of mentorship and coa…

>the ones who do not match the narrow skill set you are looking for do not get any response if I understand correctly?

That's been sadly common even before the "seller's" market took a nosedive. It's to the point where I don't consider it "ghosting" despite understanding others who call it that. I just feel you need to exist before you can "ghost", and many jobs may as well not exist.

But hearing a 90% rate from a pool of 60 applicants is still a bit depressing.

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