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Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by throwaway22032 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #19
mc32 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you. But women can continue the line —society. Men can’t bear children —society dies. Men get sent to war, women stay in the homeland, many of the men may not return and the women may have to persevere, with sacrifice but society can push on. If it were reversed, that society may well collapse. The Spartans didn’t send their women off and let the men stay back in the homeland.

This sounds like discrimination. Only women can produce offspring? Too bad, so sad. Everyone serves if it is required.

It doesn't sound like discrimination, it is discrimination, tautologically.

The onus is on you to show that it is bad in this case. We discriminate routinely, children are exempt from working for example.

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Post by influx »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #21
toomuchtodo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like discrimination. Only women can produce offspring? Too bad, so sad. Everyone serves if it is required.

It doesn't sound like discrimination, it is discrimination, tautologically. The onus is on you to show that it is bad in this case. We discriminate routinely, children are exempt from working for example.

Can’t men just identify as women to avoid the draft?

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Post by nunez »

What an incredible article. The other articles referenced within are also excellent.

My concern: given that this is becoming more common knowledge, in a world in which other, potentially adversarial, countries are more than fine sending their soldiers through the mental meat grinder, how can we prevent outcomes like the ones shared here while retaining hard power?

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Post by mbrumlow »

nunez wrote: post #23

What an incredible article. The other articles referenced within are also excellent. My concern: given that this is becoming more common knowledge, in a world in which other, potentially adversarial, countries are more than fine sending their soldiers through the mental meat grinder, how can we prevent outcomes like the ones shared here while retaining hard power?

Robots and drones.

Flesh and mind are weak. Metal and code is strong.

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Post by halJordan »

nunez wrote: post #23

What an incredible article. The other articles referenced within are also excellent. My concern: given that this is becoming more common knowledge, in a world in which other, potentially adversarial, countries are more than fine sending their soldiers through the mental meat grinder, how can we prevent outcomes like the ones shared here while retaining hard power?

In the medium term, these posts are all voluntary. They say you volunteer 3 times before you're a Ranger (enlisting, Airborne, Ranger). As people learn that they will likely kill themselves at 45, when you're supposed to retire at 40 and have 40 years of retirement, then they will leave SF early.

In the short term I could see leadership pushing a fourth volunteering (volunteering to commit suicide so the Mission can continue)

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Post by hashiyakshmi »

influx wrote: post #22
throwaway22032 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't sound like discrimination, it is discrimination, tautologically. The onus is on you to show that it is bad in this case. We discriminate routinely, children are exempt from working for example.

Can’t men just identify as women to avoid the draft?

No, changing your gender identity doesn't affect your selective service registration

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Post by ok_dad »

mc32 wrote: post #18
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #15

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Equality should mean equality! :D

I hear you. But women can continue the line —society. Men can’t bear children —society dies. Men get sent to war, women stay in the homeland, many of the men may not return and the women may have to persevere, with sacrifice but society can push on. If it were reversed, that society may well collapse. The Spartans didn’t send their women off and let the men stay back in the homeland.

How many people do you think are in the military? It’s way below one percent in the USA. In the last war we fought, we lost barely any soldiers compared to the number deployed. It’s bad that we lost any, but your argument is logically null. Women aren’t just baby machines, in any case. Nothing is being “reversed” it’s just more equal if everyone is registered for selective service.

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Post by steve1977 »

nunez wrote: post #23

What an incredible article. The other articles referenced within are also excellent. My concern: given that this is becoming more common knowledge, in a world in which other, potentially adversarial, countries are more than fine sending their soldiers through the mental meat grinder, how can we prevent outcomes like the ones shared here while retaining hard power?

Technology. Let the adversaries’ soldiers fight against your machines.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by Log_out_ »

mc32 wrote: post #18
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equality should mean equality! :D

I hear you. But women can continue the line —society. Men can’t bear children —society dies. Men get sent to war, women stay in the homeland, many of the men may not return and the women may have to persevere, with sacrifice but society can push on. If it were reversed, that society may well collapse. The Spartans didn’t send their women off and let the men stay back in the homeland.

can but dont.

Re: Pattern of brain damage is pervasive in Navy SEALs who died by suicide

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Post by wrp »

snakeyjake wrote: post #11
ein0p wrote: post #8

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Do you think it's because of whatever brain damage they may have encountered, or because they could not find meaning in their civilian lives? I've read it's often the latter in military men, especially the ones that really believed in the mission and experienced highly stressful life or death situations. They come back and they're taken aback by the mundane bullshit that our lives are in comparison to what they've be…

>Do you think it's because of whatever brain damage they may have encountered, or because they could not find meaning in their civilian lives? I have no idea. Strangely the most common thread seems to be the ones who off themselves went back home after getting out. Almost everyone I know who got out and stayed away from home is doing ok. Almost everyone I know who got out and went back home is a wreck. Some had TBI e…

I've heard similar comments from civilians, that dealing with extreme situations overseas isn't as stressful as dealing with folks when you go back home.

I don't know whether home folks are actually the problem or it's just delayed response. I think it was T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia) who said that reactions to the trauma of war continue to bubble up long afterwards. Maybe that is suppressed for as long as you stay "in the field."

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