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Re: Figma AI

#21

Post by creativenolo »

taylorlapeyre wrote: post #17
illumanaughty wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is when other people are getting 'AI suggestions' based on your work. What if you don't own the copyright for the work you're producing (it's for a client)? What if you don't what AI being trained on your data?

By default, Figma will not using organizations' data to train.

But only for organisation and enterprise plans!

> Starting today, admins can set that content data training preference directly in settings, across all plans.

> -Starter and Professional plans are opted in by default, but can opt out.

> - Organization and Enterprise plans are opted out by default.

Re: Figma AI

#22

Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

illumanaughty wrote: post #16
johnfn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this. Obviously Figma already stored all your designs in their cloud. What's the additional problem with also getting AI suggestions back from Figma?

The problem is when other people are getting 'AI suggestions' based on your work. What if you don't own the copyright for the work you're producing (it's for a client)? What if you don't what AI being trained on your data?

Figma is explicit about this:

> Two important highlights: First, all admins have control of whether their team’s content data is used for training. Second, participation in AI content training is not required to use Figma or Figma’s AI features. Learn more about our approach to training.

Blanket bans on third party AI tools don't make any sense to me. As the parent commenter said, they already have all your data, so you already have to trust them with that. Why would you trust them in those other areas but not trust their explicit statements that say that you can disable training on your data?

Re: Figma AI

#23

Post by constantcrying »

iknowSFR wrote: post #4

Every AI tool being released by 3rd parties is being blacklisted by my company. The primary reasoning is around sharing data with tool itself. On the other hand, if my clients allow them, there’s a long review and approval process followed by continuous audits. Is anyone else running into this at their companies? I look at these tools and get excited but I’m continuously being blocked from using for work.

What you have to do, to get around this is to negotiate a contract with the company providing the AI tools, which explicitly forbids them from doing that.

This is how corporations solve these kinds of issues. As soon as you as a company are a customer instead of some random person using their AI tools, you start to actually have influence over the other company.

Re: Figma AI

#24

Post by josefrichter »

Naming layers has been a problem for decades. There are even memes about it. With the advent of AI, we all knew this is a perfect match where AI can help from day one. Happy to see it arrive to Figma now.

Re: Figma AI

#25

Post by constantcrying »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #6
iknowSFR wrote: post #4

Every AI tool being released by 3rd parties is being blacklisted by my company. The primary reasoning is around sharing data with tool itself. On the other hand, if my clients allow them, there’s a long review and approval process followed by continuous audits. Is anyone else running into this at their companies? I look at these tools and get excited but I’m continuously being blocked from using for work.

I saw this in a few of my friends' companies. I have asked to everyone how is storing data in Azure is better than using Azure ChatGPT API, and till now I haven't been able to get a good answer.

The answer is likely in the contract your company has with Microsoft.

Re: Figma AI

#27

Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

constantcrying wrote: post #23
iknowSFR wrote: post #4

Every AI tool being released by 3rd parties is being blacklisted by my company. The primary reasoning is around sharing data with tool itself. On the other hand, if my clients allow them, there’s a long review and approval process followed by continuous audits. Is anyone else running into this at their companies? I look at these tools and get excited but I’m continuously being blocked from using for work.

What you have to do, to get around this is to negotiate a contract with the company providing the AI tools, which explicitly forbids them from doing that. This is how corporations solve these kinds of issues. As soon as you as a company are a customer instead of some random person using their AI tools, you start to actually have influence over the other company.

As mentioned elsewhere, you don't need some special contract. Figma allows anyone to opt out of training (though I think it's a fair point that only Enterprise and Organization plans are opted out by default, while Starter and Professional plans you have to explicitly select opt out).

Nearly every SaaS tool I've seen that has AI features lets you opt out of training, as these SaaS companies know that this is a deal breaker for many of their clients.

Re: Figma AI

#28

Post by moffkalast »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #22
illumanaughty wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is when other people are getting 'AI suggestions' based on your work. What if you don't own the copyright for the work you're producing (it's for a client)? What if you don't what AI being trained on your data?

Figma is explicit about this: > Two important highlights: First, all admins have control of whether their team’s content data is used for training. Second, participation in AI content training is not required to use Figma or Figma’s AI features. Learn more about our approach to training. Blanket bans on third party AI tools don't make any sense to me. As the parent commenter said, they already have all your data, so…

If Figma takes a little inspiration from Adobe (they were almost acquired at one point after all) they'll realize they can change their TOS at any time for any reason with impunity. Such statements are at best dubious and at worst complete unprovable bullshit.

The only way to be sure your data stays yours is local models running on your machines.

Re: Figma AI

#30

Post by constantcrying »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #27
constantcrying wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you have to do, to get around this is to negotiate a contract with the company providing the AI tools, which explicitly forbids them from doing that. This is how corporations solve these kinds of issues. As soon as you as a company are a customer instead of some random person using their AI tools, you start to actually have influence over the other company.

As mentioned elsewhere, you don't need some special contract. Figma allows anyone to opt out of training (though I think it's a fair point that only Enterprise and Organization plans are opted out by default, while Starter and Professional plans you have to explicitly select opt out). Nearly every SaaS tool I've seen that has AI features lets you opt out of training, as these SaaS companies know that this is a deal b…

Which I think is also unsurprising, it takes the insanity of Adobe to want to claim your customers work for you.

But this is exactly the type of situation why you have a contract. Even if it is standard, this is the means by which you can enforce the AI company to not use your data.

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