Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God" • Hacker News Board

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by kiba » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 6:57 AM UTC

lla0ajj wrote: post #19

kiba wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, all you have to say about Peter Thiel is that his ideas are screwed up without reason why and that his credential/track record didn't match up what you think is innovative? If you're going to criticize Thiel, show us reasons why his ideas are wrong.

What ideas do you have in mind? (It's not what I think is innovative. Who cares what I think? I'm just some commenter on Hacker News with a green account. Thiel himself criticized the iPhone and by extension similar Silicon Valley products as not being the type of "innovation" he thinks America is capable of. I'm suggesting he's hardly in a position to make that criticism given that he himself benefits from this mean…

I care about why you think the essay is stupid and if your opinion can be justified.

I don't care why you think that he is unqualified.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by jfarmer » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:06 AM UTC

cubancigar11 wrote: post #9

What a tripe! There are a lot of cultures where scapegoats were never present (India and China come to my mind). Polarizing figures with leadership qualities polarize the people around them. That doesn't make them founders! They are two different sets which intersect sometimes. And Bill Gates is NOT being forced to do charity, especially not by those who criticized him before. Most people in third world countries ido…

Er...Gandhi typifies almost everything Thiel is talking about.

Extreme outsider to extreme insider to victim.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by lla0ajj » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:13 AM UTC

ktizo wrote: post #10

lla0ajj wrote: post #6

This was the most interesting of this series of notes yet. And the conclusion was the weakest. Thiel seems like a pretty creepy character. When you have enough FU money, you can indulge a really skewed view of the world (former Intel exec comes to mind). And this series of lectures illustrates Theil's. He thinks someone, a young and naive (pre-university) prodigy, is going to make him a wealtier VC by sharing with hi…

his last lecture on biotech where he talks about a panel of VC making predictions about the future. Were any of these VC actually in the biotech sector? Just looked at it and it would seem that they were, presuming that you mean Brian Slingerland of Stem CentRx, Balaji Srinivasan of Counsyl, and Brian Frezza of Emerald Therapeutics from the lecture; "Class 16 - Decoding Ourselves" - http://blakemasters.tumblr.com/pos…

No, I meant a panel of VC's that occured some time prior to the date of the lecture, not the panel at the lecture. The speakers at the lecture were not VC. But I can't find the reference to it now. So I guess ignore that comment.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by lla0ajj » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:17 AM UTC

kiba wrote: post #21

lla0ajj wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ideas do you have in mind? (It's not what I think is innovative. Who cares what I think? I'm just some commenter on Hacker News with a green account. Thiel himself criticized the iPhone and by extension similar Silicon Valley products as not being the type of "innovation" he thinks America is capable of. I'm suggesting he's hardly in a position to make that criticism given that he himself benefits from this mean…

I care about why you think the essay is stupid and if your opinion can be justified. I don't care why you think that he is unqualified.

Did I say the essay was stupid? (Is it an essay, or is it lecture notes?)

I said the notes were "interesting". I said the conclusion was "the weakest".

Can you be more specific?

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by trevelyan » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:23 AM UTC

kiba wrote: post #18

10dpd wrote: post #7

I've never read as much BS in my entire life...just because someone has made right decisions in the past doesn't give them a platform to spout gibberish in future...

Now show us why it is BS?

please define the X axis.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by joseflavio » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:38 AM UTC

It is interesting how he choose only hero-like characters to exemplify extremes in character... I could imagine many other historical figures that would fit in his stereotype... that were heroes for THEIR supports and monsters to us.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by tensor » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:45 AM UTC

kiba wrote: post #15

lla0ajj wrote: post #6

This was the most interesting of this series of notes yet. And the conclusion was the weakest. Thiel seems like a pretty creepy character. When you have enough FU money, you can indulge a really skewed view of the world (former Intel exec comes to mind). And this series of lectures illustrates Theil's. He thinks someone, a young and naive (pre-university) prodigy, is going to make him a wealtier VC by sharing with hi…

So, all you have to say about Peter Thiel is that his ideas are screwed up without reason why and that his credential/track record didn't match up what you think is innovative? If you're going to criticize Thiel, show us reasons why his ideas are wrong.

If he wants to show his ideas are right, it is on him to prove it with evidence. Anyone with a loud microphone can talk endlessly. It is easy to cherry pick examples to support your idea.

This is not knowledge.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by ktizo » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 7:51 AM UTC

jfarmer wrote: post #22

cubancigar11 wrote: post #9

What a tripe! There are a lot of cultures where scapegoats were never present (India and China come to my mind). Polarizing figures with leadership qualities polarize the people around them. That doesn't make them founders! They are two different sets which intersect sometimes. And Bill Gates is NOT being forced to do charity, especially not by those who criticized him before. Most people in third world countries ido…

Er...Gandhi typifies almost everything Thiel is talking about. Extreme outsider to extreme insider to victim.

He started as both insider and outsider, as he was a rich lawyer, was taught at UCL, but found it hard to fit in with the culture of London.

Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 8:06 AM UTC

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Re: Peter Thiel on "Founder as Victim, Founder as God"

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Post by arkitaip » Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 9:01 AM UTC

It's an entertaining read but my it's really a bunch of unfounded ideas with lots of pretty figures :) Weird that this is the kind of education that some founders are getting.