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visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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Isnt something similar possible for cars? Based on certain frequencies in the motor area, you can deduce what is faulty?

That is definitely done for bearing in ratting machinery. You can often even pinpoint which bearing is damaged and which part of that bearing is damaged, based on the frequency spectrum.

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post #18

Isnt something similar possible for cars? Based on certain frequencies in the motor area, you can deduce what is faulty?

There are several companies that use vibration and sound to detect faults (condition based monitoring). Otosense was one (now part of Analog Devices).

https://www.analog.com/en/lp/001/machine-health-sensing.html

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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Another trick is not to use constant RPM because you can hit some mechanical resonance point, but constantly varying RPM around target RPM so that the system even if it hits resonance stays there only for a brief moment and won't start vibrating.

They do the same with clock signals in some systems. Similar idea to avoid high peaks at a single frequency:

> Spread spectrum clocking is a technique used in electronics design to intentionally modulate the ideal position of the clock edge such that the resulting signal’s spectrum is “spread”, around the ideal frequency of the clock. In timing circuits, this has the advantage of reducing Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) associated with the fundamental frequency of the signal.

https://www.microsemi.com/document-portal/doc_view/135439-wh...

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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Why use mics for that if they have direct access to rpm of fans?

The thread explains one possible reason why. You should read the link before commenting. The reason proposed is that if the environment is loud, you won't be bothered by additional noise from the fans.

> You should read the link before commenting.

Twitter doesn’t show threads to people who are not logged in (e.g. if you don’t have an account). Shaming people for not reading what they can’t see (or even know exists) is unfair. Using archival sites doesn’t work as a bypass like on newspaper sites.

Not to mention people on Firefox, which from what I have read on HN might not even have access to it at all.

Twitter links should probably be downranked on HN until (if/when) they return to being more accessible.

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a machine you literally have on your head. I have not tried it, but I can believe that it requires some different UX considerations than normal computers. I would definitely not like to hear fan noise vibrating through my head.

Wait till you experience visual stutter in VR then...

In the old days, the device settings would allow the user to tune the trade-off to their own preferences. But current user design orthodoxy is that "settings are bad" to an extreme (I actually agree with the weaker formulation "too many settings are bad"... for some value of "many")

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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It seems a mis-prioritization of the kind that makes me dislike Apple products. To avoid the imperfection of a bit of fan noise, throttle the entire experience. Great.

Being purely subjective if the user is less likely to notice the throttling than they are the fan noise, then it seems like the right call.

That really depends on what the effects of the throttling are. Stronger foveation or other rendering quality drops? Probably OK. Frame rate dropping below 75? Not in VR, never...

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thread explains one possible reason why. You should read the link before commenting. The reason proposed is that if the environment is loud, you won't be bothered by additional noise from the fans.

> You should read the link before commenting. Twitter doesn’t show threads to people who are not logged in (e.g. if you don’t have an account). Shaming people for not reading what they can’t see (or even know exists) is unfair. Using archival sites doesn’t work as a bypass like on newspaper sites. Not to mention people on Firefox, which from what I have read on HN might not even have access to it at all . Twitter lin…

I had no idea Twitter was doing that. That sucks.

However - I find that less onerous than a paywall and HN is mostly fine about those.

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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post #14

Another trick is not to use constant RPM because you can hit some mechanical resonance point, but constantly varying RPM around target RPM so that the system even if it hits resonance stays there only for a brief moment and won't start vibrating.

They do the same with clock signals in some systems. Similar idea to avoid high peaks at a single frequency: > Spread spectrum clocking is a technique used in electronics design to intentionally modulate the ideal position of the clock edge such that the resulting signal’s spectrum is “spread”, around the ideal frequency of the clock. In timing circuits, this has the advantage of reducing Electromagnetic Interference…

This is controversial, because the same amount of noise is emitted, just with a different shape that is still able to be picked up by radio receivers just as well, but is more likely to pass regulatory tests.

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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For those who are confused: the title is a bit misleading, it's actually the other way people might expect (if you read the thread) Noisy environment: turn the fans all the way as the user -> more cooling -> processor doesn't throttle Quiet environment: turn the fans down -> processor throttles

Oh, that makes sense. As well as a fact that screaming on a pc will make it work quicker.

Re: visionOS thermally throttles based on how much it hears the fans in the mics

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should read the link before commenting. Twitter doesn’t show threads to people who are not logged in (e.g. if you don’t have an account). Shaming people for not reading what they can’t see (or even know exists) is unfair. Using archival sites doesn’t work as a bypass like on newspaper sites. Not to mention people on Firefox, which from what I have read on HN might not even have access to it at all . Twitter lin…

I had no idea Twitter was doing that. That sucks. However - I find that less onerous than a paywall and HN is mostly fine about those.

> I find that less onerous than a paywal

With a paywall you know what you’re missing or not. With Twitter that’s harder to determine, which I’d argue is worse. But I wouldn’t say either of our opinions is objectively correct.

> and HN is mostly fine about those.

It is explicitely fine with paywalls which have workarounds.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

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