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Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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What this is saying is that creativity is privileged and (unlike other forms of labor) should be given more than the market says it's worth. Why should non-creatives go along with this?

No, the author is saying the share of revenue the distributors (tech, music industry) are receiving is misaligned with the value they're adding. Compare content creators with a SWE. They both produce the product being sold, what percentage of the revenue should they receive?

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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How about fuck the market, which produces terrible outcomes across the board. It's not the toy 'supply and demand' model of economics classes or anything resembling a pure meritocracy, it's heavily shaped by cartels and asymmetric contractual relations.

How about no? The evidence is that markets are essential. Attempts to use central planning instead have been universally disastrous, for reasons that were predicted ahead of time.

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Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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What this is saying is that creativity is privileged and (unlike other forms of labor) should be given more than the market says it's worth. Why should non-creatives go along with this?

>Why should non-creatives go along with this? We shouldn't. Art has historically been vastly overvalued and I like that its perceived/demanded value has been sharply declining over the past several decades and especially now with the advent of "AI". I'm sorry if anyone reading this is an artist and I just twisted your pantaloons, but artists don't serve any valuable role in society. Artists exist strictly because soc…

I'd read this but I'm too busy playing video games. I'll read it after I watch this movie.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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It just comes down to the fact that music is cheap. Outside of a very small cohort of star artists, musicians just don't create anything that people at large value to any significant extent. Only a very small portion of your fans would be willing to pay for a CD or a T-shirt; most just have a song or two in a playlist somewhere, and if you make your music unavailable on that steaming platform, they won't even notice.

People value music; subscriptions are widely successful. However, the platforms (aggregators) have a stronger market position than small artists (content producers). It strikes me as comparable to the Tivo problem, where they built something of real value but had their margins squeezed to nothing by stronger players.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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post #21
post #4

What this is saying is that creativity is privileged and (unlike other forms of labor) should be given more than the market says it's worth. Why should non-creatives go along with this?

No, the author is saying the share of revenue the distributors (tech, music industry) are receiving is misaligned with the value they're adding. Compare content creators with a SWE. They both produce the product being sold, what percentage of the revenue should they receive?

> what percentage of the revenue should they receive?

Wherever the supply and demand curves intersect.

Otherwise, society is less efficient in allocating resources.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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post #14
post #4

What this is saying is that creativity is privileged and (unlike other forms of labor) should be given more than the market says it's worth. Why should non-creatives go along with this?

>Why should non-creatives go along with this? We shouldn't. Art has historically been vastly overvalued and I like that its perceived/demanded value has been sharply declining over the past several decades and especially now with the advent of "AI". I'm sorry if anyone reading this is an artist and I just twisted your pantaloons, but artists don't serve any valuable role in society. Artists exist strictly because soc…

I don't think you realize what a hellscape the world without art would be.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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Yeah this is why despite office jobs sometimes being described as 'soul-crushing' , the alternatives are not that great either. Service sector work means bad managers and bad customers. Creative works means non-paying or overly demanding clients and inconsistency of work/pay. Another problem is success at creative work typically requires top talent . Most people who aspire to be creatives cannot outcompete GPT/AI whe…

Don’t forget nonprofit work, which is often as toxic as corporate culture but with added gaslighting about how you should do more work “for the mission.”

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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It is not only my nature, but human nature. No it isn't. It's the nature of about 30% of people, who can't be happy without knowing that someone else is worse off. Many of the characteristics that you ascribe to stupidity are actually examples of selfishness, and you're leveraging the existence thereof to rationalize your own selfishness. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1600451 Your wealth likely derives f…

> Your wealth likely derives from a mixture of raw talent, hard work, luck, and preferential attachment

This is a disturbing viewpoint to see on HN.

We already went down this path (a few times) and it resulted in >100 million deaths in the 20th century.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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Elevator music hell: that's what will come from safety-first social-value-aligned corporate-AI-written song lyrics and music scores. Already autotune and excessive compression have created a dreary modern musical landscape, and live pitch correction is widely used in performances - pretty farcical.

I'd rather go back to 80s punk/metal bands playing their barely-in-tune instruments in garages - but it would be fun to see what an open-source LLM fine-tuned on that material would produce. A key condition: The band 'Suicidal Tendencies' could not be excluded on safety-alignment grounds.

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