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Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by bearjaws »

nuz wrote: post #11

Lots of anti AI narrative in the news lately. Not to be cynical but I'd hate to suspect it partially has to do with it threatening their business model.

We've had Sama doing a world tour saying its going to displace so many jobs people will try to kill him.

We have a hardware company pretending that just adding more TOPS is going to get us to AGI.

We have AGI benchmarks that don't even test for AGI (how can you be 50% AGI...)

At some point it has to deliver insane value, and that point is soon because the numbers aren't adding up. People are realizing it's good at like 30 of the 3000 things its proposed to do.

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Post by retrocryptid »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #6

I felt invoking the original Macintosh tagline "For The Rest of Us" to describe what feels like a hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls and some aesthetically tasteless diffusion models particularly strange. Not to mention the reveal was extremely strange and almost felt like they were not releasing anything at all for the first 15 minutes before they showed it in action, almost felt very self conscio…

It's as if apple had a pair of visionary co-founders who are no longer with the company and the people left are excellent at getting things done but don't have an intuitive understanding of what people want.

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Post by shiandow »

thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

The easiest prediction you can make is that it's going to have an impact in unexpected ways.

It will be some time until we get to grips with all the implications of computers grokking language. Then again sci-fi has had computers understanding speech for ages as if it's the most natural thing in the world.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

Yada-yada-yada, we don't need a lot of things, depending on how you define 'need'. It is an interesting philosophical question, but when analyzing what products a company decides to bring to market it is completely irrelevant.

You can't make money fulfilling 'needs' unless there is also demand, but you can certainly make money fulfilling demand regardless of what some newspaper decides you 'need'.

(I would imagine the next FT headline will be 'Starbucks can't explain why people need coffee', after all why spend $4 and wait in line when you can just take $0.01 caffeine pill.)

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Post by nemo44x »

nuz wrote: post #11

Lots of anti AI narrative in the news lately. Not to be cynical but I'd hate to suspect it partially has to do with it threatening their business model.

It's just the hype cycle - happens for everything. We are going over the top part of it now.

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Post by cogman10 »

tmpz22 wrote: post #19
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

If it is a pop how can Big Tech walk it back? Am I overreacting here or have companies like Google and Microsoft pimped out their reputations in an irreversible fashion?

How did big tech walk back crypto, ML, Web 2.0?

They really don't need to walk back anything. If the features are too expensive to support and ultimately unused, then they'll just quietly kill them off. Otherwise, it'll just be another feature in the feature lists. Not something that really buys anything but also not something making them a lot of money.

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Post by fh9302 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #6

I felt invoking the original Macintosh tagline "For The Rest of Us" to describe what feels like a hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls and some aesthetically tasteless diffusion models particularly strange. Not to mention the reveal was extremely strange and almost felt like they were not releasing anything at all for the first 15 minutes before they showed it in action, almost felt very self conscio…

Apple Intelligence doesn't use OpenAI at all. Siri and writing tools can tap into ChatGPT to compose text, e.g. create a story but that requires approval from the user. Claiming that all Apple did was "hastily shoved together selection of OpenAI API calls" is a misrepresentation of what Apple showed.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by swatcoder »

nuz wrote: post #11

Lots of anti AI narrative in the news lately. Not to be cynical but I'd hate to suspect it partially has to do with it threatening their business model.

Alternate take: companies are starting to productize the technology breakthrough of 2023 and the products that are coming out range from underwhelming to worrisome, which doesn't deliver on the breakthrough's hype.

While part of the 2023 hype cycle was built on doomer fantasies of a massive and proximate labor disruption, I don't see a lot of people in the news industry feeling like their "business model is threatened" by Recall and Apple Intelligence, or even by ChatGPT and Copilot. I don't think that's what's driving the coverage.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by righthand »

All people are doing and can think to do is just dump all their data and company secrets into a third party LLM because that’s all you can do with an LLM in order to discuss said data with no one. At best an LLM should be a reasoning engine but everyone wants a “do my work for me” engine.

There are some small ways can enhance your life but consider this, we already had type aheads, document templates and generators. Adding an heir of randomness into these things might make them flashier but not necessarily more useful.

When OpenAI starts announcing products from all the data people dumped into their models, no one will be laughing. Enjoy the sherlocking while it happens to your company.

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