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Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Again, the usual scarecrow of "internet is corrupting our kids and our minds"... The good excuse to push for population censorship and control. The truth is that the problem is coming from the social society that we prefer to ignore: education collapsing, government and political world having arms wide open to dictatorship when it benefits to them,... Just to remember that a few decades ago, same kind of persons were…

I agree. The world as we knew it ended with 9/11 and the new one has been made progressively worse ever since; mostly because "the war on X" is currently a thing and requires you to give away some of your rights.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I suspect treating juveniles with kid gloves all the time and the popularization of the view that they are entitled not be exposed to anything that may upset or offend them has lead to less personal resilience.

The social media environment does also mean that when subjected to bullying it is amplified by a massive factor that previous generations were not exposed to, so the change in expectations is certainly not the only factor at play here.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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post #8

While I agree with much of the article - the leap from "social media is making tween girls suicidal" to "adults should not be able to determine what information they choose to consume because then they might vote wrong" is a huge one.

Except despite using quote marks, that’s not an actual quote, that’s your straw man.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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I agree. There have long been concerns about the impact of various media on children, as highlighted by figures like Jerry Mander, Neil Postman, and even Ron Serling.

The issue lies not only in the quality of the content but also in the mediums through which they are consumed.

Today, we are surrounded by low-quality content that can be quickly and easily accessed. Those familiar with ADHD(and struggle with it) understand that the instant gratification from these videos can lead to a craving for more.

As a millennial who grew up with unrestricted access to the internet and the advent of smartphones, I truly believe the situation will continue to worsen rather than improve.

I even wrote an entire book on this topic, detailing how internet addiction has profoundly impacted my life.

https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Seeking-less-world-more/dp/B0B...

If anyone wants a free copy, send me an email and I’ll send you one gladly!

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that [recent technology] is to blame here, and not decades or centuries-long societal patterns. Especially when that technology is shaking up established "authorities" and calling their so-called expertise into question.

The fact that this seems particularly strong in Anglo and historically Protestant places and less in other developed countries suggests to me that this is more of a specific cultural phenomenon and less of a problem directly attributable to social media. But of course that's a much more complex topic and not something that you can wrap a trendy new nonfiction book around.

Social media is not like those earlier innovations. I think the best metaphor here is to imagine a public square in which people talk to each other. They debate ideas or put forth ideas that may not always be brilliant. They may not always be civil, but people can speak while others listen. Sometimes people are moved by persuasion or dissuasion. I think the Founding Fathers assumed that’s about the best we can hope for. Imagine one day, and I’ll call it 2009, that all changes. There’s no more public square. Everything takes place in the center of the Roman Colosseum. The stands are full of people who are there to see blood. That’s what they came for. They don’t want to see the lion and the Christian making nice; they want the one to kill the other. That’s what Twitter is often like.

The public square was emphatically not what media was like before social media. It was a locked-down space controlled by large corporations: newspapers, TV stations, and other institutions that told you what was acceptable to talk about and what wasn't. It wasn't a public square with equal access for all.

The Internet, just like the printing press in the 1500s-1600s, took that ability and spread it to millions of people that previously didn't have it. The results of the Gutenberg printing press were both good and bad, depending on your persuasion, but these types of "we need more restrictions on Internet publishing because old authorities are losing power" really sound like something that was said about the Gutenberg press when it started to spread information that called authority into question. It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

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My opinion is that it’s just partisan gerrymandering creating safe districts is pushing our politics towards the extremes as both parties run far left and far right candidates in their safe district primary. It gives us candidates out of touch with the overall electorate and unable to compromise.

You ever think the "safe" districts are safe because the constituents living in those districts swing further left and right than average?

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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My opinion is that it’s just partisan gerrymandering creating safe districts is pushing our politics towards the extremes as both parties run far left and far right candidates in their safe district primary. It gives us candidates out of touch with the overall electorate and unable to compromise.

Why not both?

Create safe districts, moving the real election to the primary stage, and then give the electorate a doomscrolling-device as their primary information source.

So the primary voters become more radical and paranoid and we wind up with growing proportion of fringe candidates who would lose to a dog if only they weren't safe seats.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a major political party in the US wanting to dismantle education https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Disgusting and scary as it is, this is in no way part of the mainstream GOP

What is the mainstream gop? They seem to be electing people who are all about these extreme positions.

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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Mainstream people oriented social media is indeed really bad. But is it the technology or the incentives governing it? In other words, is instagram bad because of pictures, or because of engagement-optimized recommendations and endless feeds? What even is the difference between the medium and the message in a world of hyper-personalization?

When social media came we did as we always do; we talk about the potential of the emerging technology. Connecting people across the world, learning, sharing experiences. I don’t think we were wrong in the assessment, but I do think many of us were missing that potential is not the governing force - it’s the incentives.

Now, people are doing the exact same thing with gen AI: talking about the potential. But what’s the business model? Will our kids get excellent private tutors with endless knowledge, or a barrage of post-truth content designed to market, sell, influence, nudge and confuse?

Re: Social Media Messed Up Our Kids. Now It Is Making Us Ungovernable

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post #4

The 2015+ timeline definitely tracks with my wife's anecdotal experience. She's been working in pediatrics (exclusively at Children's Hospitals) since 2003 and the amount of kids she sees with self harm or suicide attempts has grown so much in the recent years.

I gave private math lessons for more than two decades. I can't speak about self harm, but them kids got in couple of years around a decade ago insanely unable to focus. They were consistently distracted. Adults who use lots of internet in general (regardless of socials) are the same. Applies to my girlfriend (she changed a lot since she started working behind a computer) and I have to admit to myself (which is why I…

Sadly internet is an inseparable part of modern IT slave.

Sometimes I wish there is a special prison that admits people who wants to achieve something but are too distracted to do so. It doesn't have Internet, nor does it have smart devices. It doesn't allow them out until they achieve the objectives. I'd be happy to buy its service.

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