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Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#21

Already being discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40710993

this has more weight: threema is the biggest "alternative" (after whatsapp and telegram) chat app among my peers. There's a sizable non-tech but pro-privacy part of the population that exclusively uses threema. This will be the first time they ever hear of this.

Interesting. Here it had some niche users, but got completely supplanted by signal, which is the clear #2 with the people I know.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#23

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

Well, people wanted even more alt-right representation in parliament, MEP support for the entire package of policy "Chat Control" is part of is now higher than ever. There is a lot more "for the children" policy coming up.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#24
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this has more weight: threema is the biggest "alternative" (after whatsapp and telegram) chat app among my peers. There's a sizable non-tech but pro-privacy part of the population that exclusively uses threema. This will be the first time they ever hear of this.

Threema being paid up front makes it harder to adopt for average uses. Signal is great option and wish more would use it.

It would be if signal would have resisted the temptation to go cryptobro. They didn't, and they lost all credibility as a result.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#25
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their job and goal in life to hurt the population

They can literally just sit there and it would be better…

They have to justify their existence and maximize growth and headcount. In this case I’m not sure if it’s the politicians themselves as much to blame as the EU apparatchiks and lobbyists

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#26
post #6

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.

"and the voters don’t care."

Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something?

Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#28
I too instinctively bristle at this kind of legislation. It's likely to be abused, with many false positive that make it more effective at sweeping up innocent people, while the guilty just find workarounds.

But all coming on here and saying "ooohh, this is bad, innit!" is not very interesting, and unlikely to prevent it.

Why is the EU doing this? Which political groups are supporting and opposing it? Why now? How are vendors responding? How does it affect non-EU countries?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

#29

I find it somewhat disturbing that this sort of thing is not considered a career killer for politicians.

In Greece, we recently elected as representatives for the EU Parliament:

* a 71 year old lady, with no social media and no public speeches ever.

* a guy who used a nickname for his last name, that matched with a military general (who is well known), and many people thought he was the general

* a "journalist" that was caught twice talking on live TV, conversing with a pre-recorded video

* a convicted criminal

It's impressive to manage to fail as a politician.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped – Now

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post #26
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost nothing is. Local politicians fail upwards to the EU (at least in Germany) or some private job, if they fail at all. Most of the time, you can do what you want, and the voters don’t care.

"and the voters don’t care." Then why did so many vote extremist anti EU? There just has been EU election in germany and the nationalist gained a lot. And none of the big parties otherwise said a clear no to that, so what could I do, except vote a small party against that, but too small to really do something? Voters care. But they see often no point in voting anymore.

That's precisely the thing. Whenever EU does something people don't like, they hate EU, not the council members who voted for it.
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