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Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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> The U.S. military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence the Pentagon’s influence operation did so. The US military should be banned from using propaganda in any form. We're not in a war. There's no justifiable reason to spend US tax payer dollars to actively lie to the rest of the world. What a shameful and tawdry use of our institutions.

To be clear, I’m not advocating for it. I’m just explaining:

One of the core functions of the intelligence community, is to manage perceptions globally for the five eyes partners, led by the United States and the 16 intelligence agencies that comprise the intelligence community

It might be easier to think about it as the marketing budget that is spent on non-obvious influence

Reading Edward Bernays’s and his 1920 propaganda book will tell you everything you need to know about how we go about that process

In function, though it’s not the military determining those things, typically it’s Congress and other civilian oversight boards all the way up to the president dictating what those info operations are who they Target and determining impacts, etc., and risks

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Well, it's more like: they tweeted links to published claims that it was a US bioweapon from a think-tank based in Montreal (Global Research Canada), in direct response to outright claims by US politicians & government officials that it was a Chinese bioweapon. You can read a detailed timeline in this report from the Atlantic Council: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/W...

The citations on wikipedia don't seem to be about tweets. Although you may be correct about the tit-for-tat nature; two wrongs do not make a right. China's government intentional stoked conspiracy stories and this nearly-whataboutism doesn't actually help anybody figure out what's going on. ex. https://web.archive.org/web/20210220164052/https://qz.com/ > Hua Chunying, a spokesperson for China’s foreign ministry, said…

You're talking about "whataboutism" in a thread about the Pentagon and General Dynamics intentionally spreading misinformation about Chinese vaccines across Asia, including that they contained pork. If that's not "whataboutism" then "whataboutism" is a meaningless, disgusting term forced on Americans in the 50's to explain why the US shouldn't answer for apartheid, but socialism was the worst danger the world had ever seen.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Can you provide a source that the vaccines were fake? My understanding is that it was a real vaccine drive also gathering intel. But please share your sources.

The vaccines were purported to be real hepatitis B vaccines, as the aid workers involved in the operation had previously successfully gained entry to the Bin Laden compound in order to vaccinate his children against polio. However, the aid workers did not complete the multiple doses necessary to complete the sequences of the hep B vaccine, so the vaccination program ruse could arguably be characterized as "fake" as i…

> For what it's worth, the CIA has committed to not use vaccination programs or workers or DNA obtained through such programs in operations going forward.

That was also the policy before they did it.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccines were purported to be real hepatitis B vaccines, as the aid workers involved in the operation had previously successfully gained entry to the Bin Laden compound in order to vaccinate his children against polio. However, the aid workers did not complete the multiple doses necessary to complete the sequences of the hep B vaccine, so the vaccination program ruse could arguably be characterized as "fake" as i…

> For what it's worth, the CIA has committed to not use vaccination programs or workers or DNA obtained through such programs in operations going forward. That was also the policy before they did it.

Modern problems require modern solutions.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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> The U.S. military is prohibited from targeting Americans with propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence the Pentagon’s influence operation did so.

This is a moronic caveat. They were posting on instagram, facebook, and twitter. I have it on good word that Americans read those. I suppose that they'll be able to post any sort of lie as long as they say they were targeting Turkmenistan or Bolivia.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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Shame and fucked up, although everyone is doing it. The Canadian government is currently having a big kerfuffle about foreign influence (1) and seems like the USA conveniently blames all domestic political strife on such interference. The obvious ethics of this aside, it's a good reminder that anything geopolitical is an active propaganda war these days. I notice it less on HN but honestly can't even read Reddit anym…

Reddit employed NATO employees at high level position. Almost all of the main subreddits are active propaganda channels. I am constantly bewildered at the amount of Zelensky/NATO photos on innocuous subreddits like damnthatsinteresting or pics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/wdrirf/reddit_is...

It's outright depressing even casually scrolling through reddit these days with blatant ads and propaganda smothering you.

Re: Pentagon ran secret anti-vax campaign to undermine China during pandemic

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In a long list of awful things that US intelligence agencies have done, this has got to be near the top. Also, what happened subsequently is a textbook example of what Chalmers Johnson described in "Blowback".

This is nowhere near the top. If I had to hazard a guess, the rabid propaganda and pushing of the ukraine war is near the top.
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