Do aviation parts have traceability? Like a serial number or qr code that can be used to identify suspect components?
FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
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Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#22However much you can "save" by outsourcing...in a sufficiently fraud-plagued business environment, it's seldom worth it longer-term. Conveniently, modern businesses and their leaders are judged and rewarded purely on short-term metrics.
What was the problematic outsourcing decision here? Buying your titanium from a titanium supplier? Is Spirit supposed to be refine and foundry all their own metal alloys? I agree that it's a little bonkers that Boeing spun off it's own aerostructures, but since it seems like Boeing has it's own problems with internal fraudulent inspection reports, this sure doesn't seem like an out sourcing problem per-se.
> What was the problematic outsourcing decision here?
Buying from an untrusted source without any verification of your own in place.
> Buying your titanium from a titanium supplier?
For all we know they bought it on wish.com.
> Is Spirit supposed to be refine and foundry all their own metal alloys?
Random sampling of materials to determine if the delivery is fit for purpose should be the absolute minimum.
Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#23How the fuck do you counterfeit titanium it’s one of those things that is either or it’s not.
Most titanium has a small amount of ruthenium alloyed with it, which greatly increases corrosion resistance. So there should be chemical ways to test for it.
Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#24Do aviation parts have traceability? Like a serial number or qr code that can be used to identify suspect components?
LoL, I think aviation traceability goes down to which licensed individual installed each screw down to the date, time, hour, and minute.
Further traceability goes back into the parts inventory, where I'm not sure of the commingling requirements on something like screws, but (eg) brake pads would almost certainly be traceable to the supplier and then manufacturer.
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"politics" is quite the euphemism for "military invasion, violent aggression, and war crimes"!
Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#27However much you can "save" by outsourcing...in a sufficiently fraud-plagued business environment, it's seldom worth it longer-term. Conveniently, modern businesses and their leaders are judged and rewarded purely on short-term metrics.
>However much you can "save" by outsourcing...in a sufficiently fraud-plagued business environment, it's seldom worth it longer-term.
Outsourcing is mandatory if you are a company in aerospace. How would you even start making an airplane without outsourcing?
Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
What was the problematic outsourcing decision here? Buying your titanium from a titanium supplier? Is Spirit supposed to be refine and foundry all their own metal alloys? I agree that it's a little bonkers that Boeing spun off it's own aerostructures, but since it seems like Boeing has it's own problems with internal fraudulent inspection reports, this sure doesn't seem like an out sourcing problem per-se.
> What was the problematic outsourcing decision here? Buying from an untrusted source without any verification of your own in place. > Buying your titanium from a titanium supplier? For all we know they bought it on wish.com. > Is Spirit supposed to be refine and foundry all their own metal alloys? Random sampling of materials to determine if the delivery is fit for purpose should be the absolute minimum.
But the problem isn't outsourcing, it is failed incoming inspection.
Re: FAA investigating how counterfeit titanium got into Boeing and Airbus jets
#29However much you can "save" by outsourcing...in a sufficiently fraud-plagued business environment, it's seldom worth it longer-term. Conveniently, modern businesses and their leaders are judged and rewarded purely on short-term metrics.
I feel like this goes for personal life too. My particular problem du jour: some parts internal to my lawn mower engine crankcase self destructed and the engine needs a total rebuild or replacement. I replaced the camshaft 2 years ago with a cheapo Amazon part and I'll forever be kicking myself wondering if saving $20 on that destroyed a $1k (new price) engine.