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macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by pjmlp »

sneak wrote: post #15
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here, https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface Vote with your wallet, if enough people do that, maybe Apple will notice. Now if you already validated what they are selling is enough to keep the masses happy, then it is as it is.

The number of people who are willing and able to “vote with their wallet” for alternative OSes on iPad is insufficient for results. The vast, vast majority of iPad users want iPadOS and nothing else. Hope is not a strategy.

Yet another proof that those that want something else, should sponsor someone else for their efforts.

Not give money to Apple, and then complain.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by nailer »

jborean93 wrote: post #14
nailer wrote: post #10

Anyone have a practical case for this? Not complaining just wondering.

Nested virtualization would be needed if you want to test out a Windows VM with the various Hyper-V integrations like WSL2, credential guard, etc.

Oh, that’s an excellent point. Things like WSL2 are very seamless so I don’t normally think of them as being virtualisation even though they obviously are. I might even use this myself as I need to document software development tools for Windows users.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by saurik »

nailer wrote: post #10

Anyone have a practical case for this? Not complaining just wondering.

CI systems often run their workloads in virtualization (for both security and ease of uniform deployment), but sometimes the jobs themselves use a VM to either run part of the build process (such as depending on a tool distributed using Docker, which relies on such due to the host kernel not being Linux) or run some of the unit/integration tests (whether to create a clean environment or to take advantage of the hypervisor to get fast emulation of a target device, such as an Android phone or whatever). Without nested virtualization, services such as GitHub Actions (or locally hosted options; FWIW, GitHub also lets you bring your own "runners") have thereby been somewhat crippled on Apple Silicon.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by ajmurmann »

gilgoomesh wrote: post #16
nailer wrote: post #10

Anyone have a practical case for this? Not complaining just wondering.

Running an older version of macOS, which supports older versions of Xcode and then using that to run older iOS simulators.

Could I run an older version of macOS that still ran 32bit apps?

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by walterbell »

nebula8804 wrote: post #17
walterbell wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

eWaste? What are you talking about? iPads have typically gotten 7-9 years of software updates. Its not intended to be like a direct laptop replacement. Sure you can do laptop like things but that is not what the iPad is. Even then, most laptops don't even get that kind of support. Calling the iPad "eWaste World Champion" reeks of ignorance about what the device is about. Instead it really is a unique device with uniq…

> 7-9 years of software updates

After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste.

> unique use cases as evidenced by todays keynote

Mark Gurman, Bloomberg journalist covering Apple for years, https://x.com/markgurman/status/1800348268385521876?

  Apple needs to put 25% of the vigor into iPadOS that it just put into Apple Intelligence because this is getting ridiculous. The iPad Pro gets incredible new hardware and an M4 chip and then iPadOS essentially gets nothing of substance.
iPadOS 18 did get a calculator.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by kuon »

gilgoomesh wrote: post #16
nailer wrote: post #10

Anyone have a practical case for this? Not complaining just wondering.

Running an older version of macOS, which supports older versions of Xcode and then using that to run older iOS simulators.

Isn't the simulator not a VM? I thought it was more something like wine.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by mirzap »

walterbell wrote: post #4
whatever1 wrote: post #2

And ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization

At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

What eWaste are you talking about? The lifetime, battery life, and software updates are way longer than those of any other tablet on the market. iPads are not a replacement for Macbooks or PCs; let it be the iPad.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by Dalewyn »

deletedie wrote: post #20
walterbell wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, only the EU can save the iPad from being eWaste World Champion. Mandate support for alternate OSes, like Asahi Linux on Macbook, https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Apple-Platform-Secur... > ipadOS not even one layer of Mac virtualization iPadOS 17 on M4 has a "Secure Exclave" OS, https://mastodon.social/@_inside/112440596781136013

With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens)

I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats.

What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and haven't even lost an unusually large number of seats.

There obviously are exceptions when looking at the election more microscopically, like in France, but overall it's mainstream misleadia.

What's surprising to me is this disinformation campaign by the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want.

Re: macOS 15.0 supports Nested Virtualization on M3 chips

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Post by BoredPositron »

pjmlp wrote: post #21
sneak wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of people who are willing and able to “vote with their wallet” for alternative OSes on iPad is insufficient for results. The vast, vast majority of iPad users want iPadOS and nothing else. Hope is not a strategy.

Yet another proof that those that want something else, should sponsor someone else for their efforts. Not give money to Apple, and then complain.

But which software stack? Android? Windows? Both are barely usable and for the most common tasks iPadOS is sadly miles ahead.
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