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Could preventing the human overpopulation solve anything?

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Re: Could preventing the human overpopulation solve anything?

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You can't prevent overpopulation: it has already occured. The carrying capacity of the planet is far exceeded. A reduction in population would have immediate benefits: less manufacturing, less energy use, less pollution, less consumption, more land available for wildlife instead of stock/agricuture. But what that means is "no growth" and "less money", which is not a popular concept in economics, politics and wealthy…

I remember reading somewhere that one the greenest thing you can do is have less children. I cannot find it now but iirc, if every one on the planet had one less child, climate crisis would be averted in so many years/decades. It makes sense that intuitive level but would love to verify details. Your comment makes me wonder if it is indeed about “save the planet” without scarifying “growth” is what most people care a…

There’s no research needed.

It is beyond obvious that the best single thing that an average individual can do for the climate is to have 0 kids — the next best thing is to have fewer kids.

Anyone who doubts this is mostly justifying their lifestyle choices (or will think they’re supremely clever for suggesting suicide as being better). Which is fine. Climate is fucked if they have 0 kids or 10 kids. Doesn’t matter a lick at this point.

The good news is that for nearly everyone wealthy enough to be on HN the bill mostly won’t come due until it’s your kids’ kids or kids’ kids’ kids lifetimes.

All that aside, I think this is the paper you’re talking about:

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541

Re: Could preventing the human overpopulation solve anything?

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There is not, and never was an overpopulation problem. If there was, we'd be experiencing famines and not an obesity epidemic. Maltheus assumed exponential growth in population but linear growth in resources. This was a highly inaccurate assumption as it turns out. Our ability to increase accessible resources has greatly outpaced our population growth since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

Maltheus was okay and all trying to model things, but this was back before economists were using feedback to model things. Models were mostly extrapolating from historical data, rather than using that data to figure out the system and then modeling based on the system. For example, when food is low, food prices go high, and people just stop having babies. It was also a time when people thought poor people in africa w…

That is true, although it merely punts the problem until we eliminate aging (which is not as fantastical an idea as one might think). But even with exponential growth in population, resource availability is still a non-issue, and will remain a non-issue for hundreds or thousands of years into the future.

When people talk about there only being a fixed quantity of some resource "available," they almost universally mean "accessible." But the definition of what's accessible changes over time as prices rise (making it economical to extract harder to reach/refine resources). There's enough power from the Sun and resources in the solar system to support hundreds of trillions of humans.

Re: Could preventing the human overpopulation solve anything?

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You can't prevent overpopulation: it has already occured. The carrying capacity of the planet is far exceeded. A reduction in population would have immediate benefits: less manufacturing, less energy use, less pollution, less consumption, more land available for wildlife instead of stock/agricuture. But what that means is "no growth" and "less money", which is not a popular concept in economics, politics and wealthy…

The average standard of living worldwide is close to the highest it has ever been in history, contradicting the assertion that the "carrying capacity of the planet is far exceeded".

From wikipedia:

> The carrying capacity of an environment is the maximum population size of a biological species that can be sustained by that specific environment.

In other words, we’ve exceeded the carrying capacity of Earth because our current practices cannot be sustained over a longer timespan.

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