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Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by chx »

tzs wrote: post #19
chx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might be the change but the problem is 4.2 let me quote in full > Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the Content. For example, we may sublicense our right to the Content to…

That's been that way since June 2018 (although it was section 4.3 then), with only minor changes in wording between then and now. It was also that way since June 2015 except it just said "the Services" instead of "the Services and Software". It may go even farther back but archive.org only has it back to mid 2015.

Yeah but they just added

> through both automated and manual methods ...

to how they access content and everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that automated means LLM training.

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by djhn »

SoftTalker wrote: post #10
rpastuszak wrote: post #6

I made a list of alternatives to Adobe software which some people here found helpful: https://untested.sonnet.io/Alternatives+to+Adobe

My perception is that Adobe stuff is kind of like Oracle. Overweight, expensive, free/open alternatives do just as well in most cases but if you really need to fully exploit the feature set, and really need a big company support agreement, there is no substitute. Also if you are a creative business, most anyone you would want to hire will know Adobe tools. Very few will be familiar with gimp, inkscape, or command-lin…

Twenty years worth of muscle memory and user presets is one hell of a moat even for replaceable software, but for example After Effects, Photoshop and InDesign have no credible alternatives.

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by rpastuszak »

avtar wrote: post #16
rpastuszak wrote: post #6

I made a list of alternatives to Adobe software which some people here found helpful: https://untested.sonnet.io/Alternatives+to+Adobe

You may want to edit your list to remove Figma since the Adobe acquisition is no longer happening :) And perhaps a combination of https://cavalry.scenegroup.co and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/fusion could be After Effects alternatives. I haven't made the switch yet due to the number of AE plugins I own, but perhaps this most recent Adobe gaffe will do it for me.

Good catch, I was meaning to update it for some time. I didn't know about Fusion, but it looks neat.

> I haven't made the switch yet due to the number of AE plugins I own, but perhaps this most recent Adobe gaffe will do it for me.

Honestly, just give it a go. I was surprised how easy it was for me (with PS, AI etc).

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by sebazzz »

behnamoh wrote: post #15

This is the price we pay for not supporting open-source alternatives. I love open-source but making a project open-source is a huge endeavor (removing "oh shit" commits, making the project well-structured, etc.) with little gain. Often times, users just nag and complain in the Issues without offering to contribute or opening a PR. And the culture tends to get toxic as soon as the maintainer shows some resistance agai…

No it is the price we pay for doing business with a publicly listed entity, which in some way must find a way to make more profit than last year. Not break even, not just make profit, it must make more profit. At some point that is directly affecting users.

If you'd like, you can also view that you're being milked for money and IP because there is no alternative you'd like to try.

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by rpastuszak »

rpastuszak wrote: post #23
avtar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to edit your list to remove Figma since the Adobe acquisition is no longer happening :) And perhaps a combination of https://cavalry.scenegroup.co and https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/fusion could be After Effects alternatives. I haven't made the switch yet due to the number of AE plugins I own, but perhaps this most recent Adobe gaffe will do it for me.

Good catch, I was meaning to update it for some time. I didn't know about Fusion, but it looks neat. > I haven't made the switch yet due to the number of AE plugins I own, but perhaps this most recent Adobe gaffe will do it for me. Honestly, just give it a go. I was surprised how easy it was for me (with PS, AI etc).

Ah, and mainly / especially w. Lightroom → Capture One

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by [deleted] »

MrApathy wrote: post #17
Bilal_io wrote: post #12

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The thing that annoys me is that banks continue to allow payments even when the card numbers change. I am talking even when the payment method is a card and not bank info. This happened to me with savethechildren.org before they allowed for easy cancelation. In the past you would have needed to call to cancel.

https://developer.visa.com/use-cases/identify-merchants-rece... This is solid as a convenience to the cardholder. When there's fraudulent activity and the card needs to be reissued with a new number, it's not as painful to update all of the subscription services. Most cardholders, most of the time, would prefer the impact to be as minimal as possible when issued a new card number.

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Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by misswaterfairy »

djhn wrote: post #22
SoftTalker wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My perception is that Adobe stuff is kind of like Oracle. Overweight, expensive, free/open alternatives do just as well in most cases but if you really need to fully exploit the feature set, and really need a big company support agreement, there is no substitute. Also if you are a creative business, most anyone you would want to hire will know Adobe tools. Very few will be familiar with gimp, inkscape, or command-lin…

Twenty years worth of muscle memory and user presets is one hell of a moat even for replaceable software, but for example After Effects, Photoshop and InDesign have no credible alternatives.

There are some:

- After Effects: Natron (https://natrongithub.github.io/) and Blender (https://www.blender.org/)

- Photoshop: Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher (https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/)

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by rpastuszak »

djhn wrote: post #22
SoftTalker wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My perception is that Adobe stuff is kind of like Oracle. Overweight, expensive, free/open alternatives do just as well in most cases but if you really need to fully exploit the feature set, and really need a big company support agreement, there is no substitute. Also if you are a creative business, most anyone you would want to hire will know Adobe tools. Very few will be familiar with gimp, inkscape, or command-lin…

Twenty years worth of muscle memory and user presets is one hell of a moat even for replaceable software, but for example After Effects, Photoshop and InDesign have no credible alternatives.

FWIW I switched to Affinity from PS after having used PS for 20+ years (since 5.5 I think?). Honestly, it was super easy.

Most of the use I had for PS is now split between: Procreate (drawing, illustration, game assets), Figma/Penpot (wireframes, quick mockups, UI sketches etc...), Affinity (image processing, quick photo edits, batch processing, anything that doesn't fall into the categories mentioned earlier).

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by djhn »

misswaterfairy wrote: post #27
djhn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twenty years worth of muscle memory and user presets is one hell of a moat even for replaceable software, but for example After Effects, Photoshop and InDesign have no credible alternatives.

There are some: - After Effects: Natron ( https://natrongithub.github.io/ ) and Blender ( https://www.blender.org/ ) - Photoshop: Affinity Photo and Affinity Publisher ( https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/ )

Thanks for the tips! I will definitely check out Natron

Re: Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications

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Post by djhn »

rpastuszak wrote: post #28
djhn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twenty years worth of muscle memory and user presets is one hell of a moat even for replaceable software, but for example After Effects, Photoshop and InDesign have no credible alternatives.

FWIW I switched to Affinity from PS after having used PS for 20+ years (since 5.5 I think?). Honestly, it was super easy. Most of the use I had for PS is now split between: Procreate (drawing, illustration, game assets), Figma/Penpot (wireframes, quick mockups, UI sketches etc...), Affinity (image processing, quick photo edits, batch processing, anything that doesn't fall into the categories mentioned earlier).

I used Sketch (and now increasingly Figma) for drawing rectangularish shapes and mockups, but for creating anything artistic Illustrator’s appeal is in the hundreds of effects you can create in seconds with combinations of advanced rotation/duplication/path-following/distortion/blur.
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