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Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by spinach » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

sdenton4 wrote: post #13

If you make incredibly loud noises above water, humans will complain, and you'll end up reducing the noise, due to some combination of workplace safety regulations, litigious neighbors, and self-regulation. People don't experience underwater noise directly, though, and so it is allowed to be arbitrarily loud and has gone almost completely unchecked, and is undoubtedly harmful got marine ecosystems. It is thought to b…

Humans in cities have also got used to the noise. Go from a quiet forest or rural area in the middle of nowhere to a city or residential area where you have cars, trains, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, air planes, loud barking dogs, etc. It's shockingly noisy. It's surprising that people don't want to do more about the noise pollution but it seems many just got used to it.

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by chasd00 » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:35 PM UTC

spinach wrote: post #21

sdenton4 wrote: post #13

If you make incredibly loud noises above water, humans will complain, and you'll end up reducing the noise, due to some combination of workplace safety regulations, litigious neighbors, and self-regulation. People don't experience underwater noise directly, though, and so it is allowed to be arbitrarily loud and has gone almost completely unchecked, and is undoubtedly harmful got marine ecosystems. It is thought to b…

Humans in cities have also got used to the noise. Go from a quiet forest or rural area in the middle of nowhere to a city or residential area where you have cars, trains, lawn mowers, leaf blowers, air planes, loud barking dogs, etc. It's shockingly noisy. It's surprising that people don't want to do more about the noise pollution but it seems many just got used to it.

on a tangent, I was living about 15min SW of DFW airport when 9/11 happened. When the FAA grounded all air traffic i remember going outside and thinking how strange it was not hearing planes in the sky. I had become acclimated to all the air traffic and when there was none it was pretty eery.

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:37 PM UTC

sdenton4 wrote: post #13

If you make incredibly loud noises above water, humans will complain, and you'll end up reducing the noise, due to some combination of workplace safety regulations, litigious neighbors, and self-regulation. People don't experience underwater noise directly, though, and so it is allowed to be arbitrarily loud and has gone almost completely unchecked, and is undoubtedly harmful got marine ecosystems. It is thought to b…

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Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:37 PM UTC

sdenton4 wrote: post #13

If you make incredibly loud noises above water, humans will complain, and you'll end up reducing the noise, due to some combination of workplace safety regulations, litigious neighbors, and self-regulation. People don't experience underwater noise directly, though, and so it is allowed to be arbitrarily loud and has gone almost completely unchecked, and is undoubtedly harmful got marine ecosystems. It is thought to b…

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Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:38 PM UTC

lioeters wrote: post #2

Recently I saw a video of a dolphin that came up to a boat and was imitating the sound of a boat motor. It looked playful, but perhaps it was complaining about all the noise.

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Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by mycologos » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

If you're a layperson interested in these sensory questions, I highly recommend the book An Immense World by Ed Yong. It's a 400-something page tour through the many senses animals have and we (mostly) don't. It might have the highest density of truly cool animal facts per page of anything I've ever read, despite being written for adults who maybe haven't considered themselves the audience for fun animal facts in decades.

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by dylan604 » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:41 PM UTC

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #3

If you have the chance to listen to actual boat noise from an underwater microphone, you’ll be surprised at how loud it is and how far sound can travel. It’s less of a problem with pleasure boats and more of an issue with commercial ones like container ships. Other sounds that are loud underwater and harmful for animals include wind turbine noise (from spinning giant blades) and sonar pings.

It's one of the things that I find fascinating about Naval tech. From the sonar from each boat to the network of devices like SOSUS net[0], you have to be very good and deliberate to sneak around in the oceans.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by teitoklien » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:52 PM UTC

bee_rider wrote: post #17

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience disagrees with that claim. But I suggest an easier way to verify this, which is to just go to YouTube and look at videos of the sound produced by wind turbines on land. You will hear the distinct loud woosh sound of the actual blades and not the gearbox. Personally, I feel a lot of the academic denial around this noise issue is from people with an activist goal.

YouTube videos are not very difficult to edit. If you search YouTube for “noisy windmills,” I’m sure you’ll get… something. Anyway windmills are all over the place, lots of people have had the experience of being near them. If they make too much noise, that’s a problem of course, but I think lots of people can verify the existence of non-noisy ones by virtue of having seen them in person. So, sure, loud designs shoul…

> YouTube videos are not very difficult to edit.

And academic papers are not difficult to fudge up with edited fraudulent data [1].

Even Ivy League colleges are committing rampant fraud sometimes for activism sometimes just to get attention and get more papers published.

It’s sad that we’re at a time where academia is as untrustworthy as random videos on YouTube.

But i agree with noiseless windmills part, they should be promoted more instead of noisy ones that will discourage more clean energy initiatives.

[1](https://retractionwatch.com/)

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by bee_rider » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 4:58 PM UTC

teitoklien wrote: post #28

bee_rider wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube videos are not very difficult to edit. If you search YouTube for “noisy windmills,” I’m sure you’ll get… something. Anyway windmills are all over the place, lots of people have had the experience of being near them. If they make too much noise, that’s a problem of course, but I think lots of people can verify the existence of non-noisy ones by virtue of having seen them in person. So, sure, loud designs shoul…

> YouTube videos are not very difficult to edit. And academic papers are not difficult to fudge up with edited fraudulent data [1]. Even Ivy League colleges are committing rampant fraud sometimes for activism sometimes just to get attention and get more papers published. It’s sad that we’re at a time where academia is as untrustworthy as random videos on YouTube. But i agree with noiseless windmills part, they should…

I mean, nobody would say the academic publishing ecosystem is super healthy (every academic hates it, for one). But the existence of something like “retraction watch” points to the fact that these aren’t really comparable ecosystems. Nobody need bothers to catalogue the lies on YouTube because that’s an impossible and pointless task.

The academic process has always been messy and political, and yet universities do keep churning out research and students.

Re: Quieting the Global Growl

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Post by teitoklien » Fri, Jun 07, 2024, 5:05 PM UTC

bee_rider wrote: post #29

teitoklien wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube videos are not very difficult to edit. And academic papers are not difficult to fudge up with edited fraudulent data [1]. Even Ivy League colleges are committing rampant fraud sometimes for activism sometimes just to get attention and get more papers published. It’s sad that we’re at a time where academia is as untrustworthy as random videos on YouTube. But i agree with noiseless windmills part, they should…

I mean, nobody would say the academic publishing ecosystem is super healthy (every academic hates it, for one). But the existence of something like “retraction watch” points to the fact that these aren’t really comparable ecosystems. Nobody need bothers to catalogue the lies on YouTube because that’s an impossible and pointless task. The academic process has always been messy and political, and yet universities do ke…

> The academic process has always been messy and political, and yet universities do keep churning out research and students.

The youtube process has always been messy and political, and yet new creators do keep churning out great content that people love watching and spreading awareness about various issues.

:)

The youtube show : “Undecided by Matt Ferrell” is my favourite