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Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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This is the danger of closed source software. There is no guarantee that the developers incentives will remain aligned with yours.

If you’re not monitoring all your open source software, I am not sure there’s a whole lot of difference.

Sure, someone could fork the original and make a “good” version again, but if you didn’t notice, it went bad… same problem.

It might be easier with closed source to some extent, but I’m not sure that means open source has solved it.

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #21

This is the danger of closed source software. There is no guarantee that the developers incentives will remain aligned with yours.

If you’re not monitoring all your open source software, I am not sure there’s a whole lot of difference. Sure, someone could fork the original and make a “good” version again, but if you didn’t notice, it went bad… same problem. It might be easier with closed source to some extent, but I’m not sure that means open source has solved it.

The difference is that you can fork if there's a breakdown in the developer user relationship. This is much better than being held hostage if you rely on the software.

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #17

I got a new Mac recently, had run Bartender in the past and decided to but the newest version without checking it out first. I was surprised to see the screen recording permission. This was 12 days ago. I wrote support saying: > I think screen recording is too much of a privacy and security concern. > Even if you have no bad intentions, if someone compromises your security, they have access to an app that I've allowe…

I assume if there was a way to recreate what Bartender does as smoothly as Bartender without the recording permission, they or someone else would have done it by now considering it makes the setup process clunkier than what would be ideal.

This ain't Linux, it's honestly surprising Bartender and various window management apps and whatnot can be pulled off on macOS considering the restrictions. It's not surprising they need to do a weird hack like taking advantage of screen recording privileges to make it work.

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #14

Apple really needs to just build this functionality into macOS already. You shouldn't need to pay someone else to shove icons into a drawer. And on the new MacBooks with a notch through the center of the menu bar, it always seems like the icons on the right and the menus for the focused app on the left are ever encroaching towards that space.

Especially for people using larger sizes for accessibility, the insufficient menubar space is a silly problem that's been around for years and they've recently made much worse by adding the notch and expanding the spacing between menuextras.

It's usually OK if you're in an application that only has File, Edit, View, Window, Help, but once you get into real productivity software you're going to have menu items overflowing to the right side of the notch and your important menu extras (like VPNs) become totally inaccessible when you run out of space.

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

#27

This is the danger of closed source software. There is no guarantee that the developers incentives will remain aligned with yours.

This happens with OSS apps as well, see the Simple Mobile Tools takeover by an Israeli adware company, affecting several popular Android apps (Gallery, File Manager, others).

https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/General-Discussion/issu...

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a $22 paid app. Of course it’s not going to be open sourced.

I think the point was that open-sourced apps aren't vulnerable to an attack vector like this, which is true. Of course, not everything can be open-sourced, but the poster's point still stands.

Except that it's not really true, since open-sourced applications can and most definitely have changed maintainers. And even if they don't, there's still a risk. Do I need to remind everyone of the xz incident when it's so recent?

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #27

This is the danger of closed source software. There is no guarantee that the developers incentives will remain aligned with yours.

This happens with OSS apps as well, see the Simple Mobile Tools takeover by an Israeli adware company, affecting several popular Android apps (Gallery, File Manager, others). https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools/General-Discussion/issu...

Was it forked?

Re: Popular Mac app 'Bartender' acquired by new unknown developer

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post #16
post #9

> Future plans for the app remain unknown, but users have a right to know what’s going on behind the scenes. Do they though? You buy a license for a piece of software, and as far as I understand that doesn't include any fundamental rights involving insight into company policies, direction, business strategy, ... Regardless, this is of course quite a dubious takeover.

> > Future plans for the app remain unknown Also, this doesn't seem to be true anymore, the new owners did outline some future plans: > [...] We've collaborated closely with Ben to understand his vision for Bartender. Our goal is to implement many of the improvements he had planned and address any reported bugs from the past few months to enhance Bartender's performance. [...] https://old.reddit.com/r/macapps/comment…

Only if "Ordinary_Delivery_79" is real new owner…
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