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Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

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Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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GMOs are under patent and increase prices, they do not keep the poor hungry, they are simply resistant to more pesticides. And pesticides like Roundup have been linked to neurological problems like Parkinson. If you’d want to save the poor, you’d teach them about greenhouses and irrigation and soil enrichment, which are actually the biggest issues in these poor countries

What do you have against GMO like the golden rice ? None of what you listed applies to it, yet your statements harms GMO like golden rice.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet That, too, is debatable. Google "Do we have enough food" - we could feed 10B people with what we produce. Feeding the world is currently more a matter of donating (who pays?) and distributing it, not so much of producing the food in the first place. > namely the lack of pesticides, of which some may be dangerous (but often regulated) There is also overfertilizati…

Distribution is in itself a problem, yes, but there's also the geopolitical angle of depending on foreign imports to feed a nation.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> in many ways making them worse for the environment

Not really, for refence I'm in a rural grain growing area with farm size averaging 4500 hectares.

Grain yields can be increased by many means, as they are, along with breeding for changing climate conditions, which they are (many thousands of ANOVA plots are grown about the region here every year) but the overwhelming practical attraction of GMO crops is glyphosate resistance .. this allows the application of weedkiller during seeding times in sufficient amounts to kill all plants save the crop.

Killing every plant across hundreds of thousands of hectares (with the exception of a very few desired by humans as food for humans) isn't exactly widely considered to be an environmental plus.

Near monoculture has knock on effects on the diversity of animal life, general environmental robustness, etc.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

+300, it’s kind of tragic that the general public’s concern around GMOs seems centered on the perceived dangers of ingesting them, rather than Monsanto’s relentless track record of predatory litigation and their apparent mission to monopolize global agriculture.

I’d be interested to hear examples of large-scale industry players voluntarily accepting the costs of their externalities to any meaningful degree (i.e. more than just-enough-to-make-a-good-PR-campaign). My belief is that in the absence of regulation, the survival advantages conferred by socializing costs and privatizing losses are sufficient to eliminate larger conscientious (or so-called “socially responsible”) organizations.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

We already produce way more food than is needed to feed the all the people in the world. It's not about the amount of production but how we distribute the food and what are the intensives when doing that. Giving more power to ag-corporations haven't worked past 30 years and I have no reason to believe it will in the future.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> namely the lack of pesticides lack of synthetic pesticides, you can use as much organic pesticides as you want.

Sure, theoretically. But what does the reality on the ground actually mean for choosing organic rather than “”they could use 100x organic pesticides”, therefore no point.

“Consumption of organically produced food reduces pesticide exposure and is linked to a variety of health benefits, according to multiple studies, especially according to a large study from France.

Clinical trials continue to show that people who switch from non-organic to organic foods see a rapid and dramatic reduction in their urinary pesticide concentrations, a marker of pesticide exposure.

Other studies have linked higher consumption of organic foods to lower urinary pesticide levels, improved health outcomes, including reductions in maternal obesity and pregnancy-associated preeclampsia risks, lower BMI and reduced risk of Type 2 diabetes.”

https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/faq.php#

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

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Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> organic crops use more land, more water, and produce less for sale You could say the same thing about grass grazing cows and free range chickens. But anyone who’s had fresh home grown eggs, milk, or a 1/4 cow out in the country knows how much of a difference there is. Just because something is maximally efficient, doesn’t mean it’s healthier. Just like Coca Cola isn’t healthier than Kefir.

That’s a strawman’s argument though. You can produce healthy kefir and cabbage at scale, which is healthier than any organic craft soda.

The reality is that free range animals take up an incredible amount of resources for a small percentage of the population who can afford such luxury.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#29

We have more than enough food for everyone. Actually, we waste most of agricultural land to grow crops to feed animals that we eat later on, which is extremely inefficient, like a 10 to 1 calorie conversion rate. It's also cruel, bad for the environment, etc.

No one agrees with this because we all like eating meat. But yes, distribution is the real problem

> because we all like eating meat.

I don't. I understand that some people like the taste of meat and they don't want to miss out on that, but the animal and ecosystem exploitation have unfortunately serious consequences that we can't ignore. If we can create alternative products that taste just like meat (or maybe even better), then this would be beneficial to everyone.

Re: Rejecting GMOs hinders human progress and keeps the poor hungry

#30

Rejection of GMOs and rejection of large corporations controlling food sources, are different issues that are completely tied up in each other. Most of the problems with GMOs are problems with the patenting of crops, suing farmers for ridiculous reasons. The rest of the problems are people screaming "but the chemicals!" with no real scientific basis. We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet. We most likel…

> We definitely need more GMO crops to feed the planet That, too, is debatable. Google "Do we have enough food" - we could feed 10B people with what we produce. Feeding the world is currently more a matter of donating (who pays?) and distributing it, not so much of producing the food in the first place. > namely the lack of pesticides, of which some may be dangerous (but often regulated) There is also overfertilizati…

Yeah this is a complex problem. It does seem the case that we probably have enough food globally, but not at a national level. Also it seems that we don't have sufficient food for everyone to live at the level of the average American or European, so arguably there's benefit there in increasing food production. Also a large population still farm every day, being able to reduce the time input for farming could increase productivity by freeing people up to do other things.
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