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Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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Most distros can't even recover from a shutdown while updating (windows handles it since Vista).

That's why using immutable distros is awesome. Worst case scenario, you can boot the previous version. I've been using Fedora Silverblue for a while and never got a borked upgrade. It's not without its own flaws, but if you can live with mostly flatpak apps, it's a pretty compelling package.

Same with FreeBSD with ZFS on root. Bectl makes an automatic snapshot every time. Not even any need to deal with an immutable OS.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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These fullscreen messages are so confusing to elderly people, most of my support calls from family and friends are related to the weird and unpredictable updates and invasive popups, or the consequences from these. I have slowly been moving them, one by one, over to Fedora. I still get support calls, but not related to the OS, more like, "how do I add an attachment to this email, I forgot."

I can see it now... "How do I share my screen?" "Well grandma, the Google Chrome Flatpak you're using defaults to Xorg so it runs in XWayland, which means it can't see the desktop because the rest of your shell is native in Wayland. If you go to chrome://flags and set prefered-ozone-platform to wayland it might work, but some people in this reddit thread also mention you need to install xdg-desktop-portal-gnome so it…

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Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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just out of curiosity, what's wrong with the more 'traditional' Linux desktops, such as Plasma or Cinnamon?

Most distros can't even recover from a shutdown while updating (windows handles it since Vista).

Yeah but shutdown while updating is a lot less likely when the OS isn't forcing updates.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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If they're non-tech-understanding enough, it might not matter at all. Someone who's oblivious enough may use the computer as more of an appliance (plus web). I had my ageing parents set up with a Linux desktop for some years in the past. I just -pre-configured everything they'd likely have needed. Browser, email, instant messaging (as it was at the time), a photos app, possibly something else I'm forgetting. It's the…

I agree that the semi-power-user category is the most problematic, but my grandma wasn't there. More like, so non-tech-savvy that she accidentally clicked buttons or hit shortcuts for power users, messing things up in ways she couldn't fix. Like, she deleted the Safari address bar and installed 10 malicious Chrome extensions. Used her mouse upside-down for a while once. GNU/Linux actually might've been best because i…

I guess my parents are/were of a cautious enough sort that, for them, the trouble of navigating the internet turned more into narrower use rather than installing tons of malicious extensions via questionable websites. (I do remember once finding an .exe file downloaded from the website of a magazine to which my father subscribed. Didn't work in Ubuntu, I guess. Probably also not malicious in that case, but I can see how people could end up with crapware.)

As for other issues with basic use, my mother is even older now, and even things that used to be pre-arranged and familiar have become more difficult. But I don't think the OS matters much for that any more, on a grand scale. Touchscreens might help to an extent (and also avoid upside-down mouse issues), and obviously things would need to be set up so that there aren't any unnecessary hurdles. But beyond that it's learned routines rather than any kind of a generalized understanding anyway. She does know how to usually get rid of things by clicking 'x' though.

Did you find something that worked out for your grandma in the end?

(edit: You edited your reply before I finished mine, so I replied to the earlier version. I see the problem with accidentally triggering things. I guess it might be the fairly cautious nature and the limited use patterns that might have saved my parents from them.)

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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I agree that the semi-power-user category is the most problematic, but my grandma wasn't there. More like, so non-tech-savvy that she accidentally clicked buttons or hit shortcuts for power users, messing things up in ways she couldn't fix. Like, she deleted the Safari address bar and installed 10 malicious Chrome extensions. Used her mouse upside-down for a while once. GNU/Linux actually might've been best because i…

I guess my parents are/were of a cautious enough sort that, for them, the trouble of navigating the internet turned more into narrower use rather than installing tons of malicious extensions via questionable websites. (I do remember once finding an .exe file downloaded from the website of a magazine to which my father subscribed. Didn't work in Ubuntu, I guess. Probably also not malicious in that case, but I can see…

Sorry, I wanted to reword my comment to be shorter but say the same thing basically.

Nothing worked. In hindsight, maybe the Mac would've been ok-ish if I'd used Chrome Remote Desktop to help whenever she had issues, which had fewer pitfalls than the other screen sharing options I tried. Last one I remember was Teamviewer, which broke cause her friend "fixed her computer by removing junk" like that, but it also had other issues before.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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just out of curiosity, what's wrong with the more 'traditional' Linux desktops, such as Plasma or Cinnamon?

A lot of the issue is that you were able to name more than one, and that was without mentioning Gnome or XFCE

I think that's the great thing about Linux.

Something like gnome is so closed down that it couldn't be for everyone. I tried using a ton of plugins to make it workable but then things break with every update.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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These fullscreen messages are so confusing to elderly people, most of my support calls from family and friends are related to the weird and unpredictable updates and invasive popups, or the consequences from these. I have slowly been moving them, one by one, over to Fedora. I still get support calls, but not related to the OS, more like, "how do I add an attachment to this email, I forgot."

I can see it now... "How do I share my screen?" "Well grandma, the Google Chrome Flatpak you're using defaults to Xorg so it runs in XWayland, which means it can't see the desktop because the rest of your shell is native in Wayland. If you go to chrome://flags and set prefered-ozone-platform to wayland it might work, but some people in this reddit thread also mention you need to install xdg-desktop-portal-gnome so it…

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Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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A lot of the issue is that you were able to name more than one, and that was without mentioning Gnome or XFCE

I think that's the great thing about Linux. Something like gnome is so closed down that it couldn't be for everyone. I tried using a ton of plugins to make it workable but then things break with every update.

If Gnome doesn't work for everyone, what they had to do was make it work. There has to be a way. The vast majority of the market is using Windows and Mac, and somehow both have avoided the need for multiple separate DEs.

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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I think that's the great thing about Linux. Something like gnome is so closed down that it couldn't be for everyone. I tried using a ton of plugins to make it workable but then things break with every update.

If Gnome doesn't work for everyone, what they had to do was make it work. There has to be a way. The vast majority of the market is using Windows and Mac, and somehow both have avoided the need for multiple separate DEs.

I actually moved away from Mac because it's so opinionated just like gnome.

But what's the problem with having choice?

Re: Microsoft's full-screen reminders – upgrade to Windows 11 are back

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I guess my parents are/were of a cautious enough sort that, for them, the trouble of navigating the internet turned more into narrower use rather than installing tons of malicious extensions via questionable websites. (I do remember once finding an .exe file downloaded from the website of a magazine to which my father subscribed. Didn't work in Ubuntu, I guess. Probably also not malicious in that case, but I can see…

Sorry, I wanted to reword my comment to be shorter but say the same thing basically. Nothing worked. In hindsight, maybe the Mac would've been ok-ish if I'd used Chrome Remote Desktop to help whenever she had issues, which had fewer pitfalls than the other screen sharing options I tried. Last one I remember was Teamviewer, which broke cause her friend "fixed her computer by removing junk" like that, but it also had o…

No worries. Too bad that nothing worked.

Screen sharing for support is probably a necessary problem I didn't think of much since I happen to live close by. It'd absolutely need to be something that requires minimal effort from them.

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