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The big lie about sleep

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Re: The big lie about sleep

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Ok, I read the article. But I still don't know what the big lie is.

I think the big lie is that wellness companies, doctors, and sleep widget salespeople claim that you can improve your sleep with blackout curtains, less screen time, exercise, fancy tech, and a host of other strategies. But this article is saying that being healthier and richer improve your sleep more dramatically, and those are things that are not directly in your control.

I don't see how proving that sleep correlates with wealth disproves that those things work whatsoever, because those things are expensive.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

One fact about teenagers is that their circadian rhythms are shifted compared to adults and younger kids: their bodies will fight to fall asleep later and wake up later.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2820578/

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

It was so hard for me to actually do that as a kid. You basically wake up, off to school, off to extracurricular, off to dinner, off to homework, and off to bed if you want a chance at 8 hours of sleep. Five days a week of that and your parents probably fill up your weekends for you. Oh and I worked in high school so that was shoehorned in somehow. Staying up late cutting into sleep time was the only time of day I ac…

Similar problem for working parents, ever minute is spoken for. When everyone is asleep, the dishes are done, and you are alone it’s finally time to yourself. I like the phrase of having “agency” — that really captures the urge.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

It was so hard for me to actually do that as a kid. You basically wake up, off to school, off to extracurricular, off to dinner, off to homework, and off to bed if you want a chance at 8 hours of sleep. Five days a week of that and your parents probably fill up your weekends for you. Oh and I worked in high school so that was shoehorned in somehow. Staying up late cutting into sleep time was the only time of day I ac…

Too many extracurriculars / “overshcheduling” is an easy trap for people of all ages. So easy to sacrifice sleep because there is always something more fun or productive (short term) to do! Before our youngest was born I was just taking care of our boys when they weren’t in school and even with a schoolday’s worth of discretionary time, I still stayed up too late on the computer and didn’t get enough sleep. With the new baby, things reached a tipping point and I am now trying to make sleep a priority.. so far I am learning that yes it does feel bad “sacrificing” things for sleep, but I do feel better overall when more rested so how important were those things after all? This is especially counter intuitive when I’d defer sleep for “self soothing” activities but then being chronically under-slept was the leading cause of needing soothing!! Anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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> On the other end of the spectrum is Boulder County, Colorado, which you might call the sleep capital of America That city is famous for attracting a bunch of people who love hiking and climbing mountains. It isn't a good example here, it is just full of young people who love to exercise, of course they are healthier! Just having an average age of 28.5 years have a dramatic impact on sleep statistics! There are many…

Not just young but very fit and athletic. It's hard to not fall asleep quickly if you've spent the day hiking.

I am reasonably fit but felt very ashamed of my body when I visited Boulder.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I like that they let you subscribe with Apple Pay, but I wish I could just pay $0.50 for the one article. I would pay. It’d be much less friction than either finding a proxy to read it for free, or subscribing properly and the dealing with the unsubscribe process which can be very difficult.

I really think the major credit card companies missed a tremendous opportunity by not figuring out micropayments. They have the infrastructure to be the ones to figure this out, but they didn't.

Just drop the flat fee. Stripe is 2.9% + 30c. If they did 3% and no flat fee, then on $1 you'd get 97 cents instead of less than 70. I assume the CC companies are charging a flat fee too...unless that's just Stripe's own thing.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I genuinely think that people who spread the idea that your individual outcome is significantly dependent on the statistical average for a cohort you are in are responsible for a _lot_ of suffering and lost potential.

Literally any effort you put in at all means that you are no longer the average in most cohorts. It's simply bad science.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

The worst part of my teenage years was having parents who believed this. It’s as silly as saying, “just calm down.”

I’d of loved to have been physiologically capable, as a teenager, of going to bed early and getting up early, especially in a northern climate where the sun is up at 9pm.

Re: The big lie about sleep

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I keep telling my kids that a vastly overlooked trick to success is going to bed earlier and getting more sleep. That and gratitude (which is why our family has evening rituals around this).

Honest question: why do you think gratitude is a trick for success? I can understand for happiness, but don't you think gratitude is often at conflict with the inner drive needed for success?
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