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After Furiosa flops, Hollywood could be facing a biblically disastrous summer

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Re: After Furiosa flops, Hollywood could be facing a biblically disastrous summer

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Post by LightHugger »

ramesh31 wrote: post #4
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #3

Marvel forever ruined Hollywood.

So did streaming releases + sub $1k 80 inch 4k TVs. The value of going to a theater at this point is almost nonexistent for most people.

The value of a theater is negative for me, it's a miserable experience. The volume is always too loud, you have to sit through ads, the seats are gross, people are loud and obnoxious, and you have to travel to the place. And you have to pay quite a bit of extra money for the privilege of this awfulness.

The only reason to use one is if your setup at home is very bad for multiple watchers, then you can go with friends... but even that sucks.

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Post by saintkaye »

finack wrote: post #5

The solution is painfully obvious for anyone who isn't actually involved in milking every last red cent out of media: make movies people actually want to see, and not just shameless cash grabs recycling everything from 1980 onward. Of course, now every suit expects every movie to gross a billion dollars, so that's not going to happen. It's a fun dream, though.

Literally all the numbers say the opposite.

There is a ton of ink on the topic, but the core problem is that executives get fired for failures more frequently than they get expanded upside for hits.

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Post by ksenzee »

saintkaye wrote: post #22
finack wrote: post #5

The solution is painfully obvious for anyone who isn't actually involved in milking every last red cent out of media: make movies people actually want to see, and not just shameless cash grabs recycling everything from 1980 onward. Of course, now every suit expects every movie to gross a billion dollars, so that's not going to happen. It's a fun dream, though.

Literally all the numbers say the opposite. There is a ton of ink on the topic, but the core problem is that executives get fired for failures more frequently than they get expanded upside for hits.

“Executives get fired” makes it sound like being fired is a natural consequence of a box office failure. Who is firing the executives in such a way that they incentivize mediocre performance? Maybe they should quit doing that?

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Post by tdeck »

finack wrote: post #5

The solution is painfully obvious for anyone who isn't actually involved in milking every last red cent out of media: make movies people actually want to see, and not just shameless cash grabs recycling everything from 1980 onward. Of course, now every suit expects every movie to gross a billion dollars, so that's not going to happen. It's a fun dream, though.

I can't remember where now, but I read that these reboot cash grabs are largely aimed at overseas markets like China which make up the majority of film earnings nowadays.

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Post by hermitdev »

ramesh31 wrote: post #4
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #3

Marvel forever ruined Hollywood.

So did streaming releases + sub $1k 80 inch 4k TVs. The value of going to a theater at this point is almost nonexistent for most people.

Seriously, why would I go to the theater at the same cost to watch at home only to have to to step through sticky floors to sit in seats of questionable cleanliness to watch a movie with the glow of other people's phones around me, watch the movie once when the theatre says I can watch, not be able to pause or rewind when I can't understand the audio because the sound engineer these days is so fucking awful that dialog is so subdued compared to everything else?

It's a shame, because I'm the sort that'd probably actually enjoy Furiosa, but no chance in hell I'm going to a theatre starting at $16 for one ticket to watch it alone. I'd rather buy a bluray at $30 than go to the theatre at $16 (before taxes, too). My TV is more modest than 80", but my sound system is clearer, but not nearly as chest-thumping as the theatre experience (trade off I'm more than ready to make, though I do enjoy chest-thumping audio for action movies).

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Post by 201984 »

darth_avocado wrote: post #19

I’ve seen a lot of explanations for this, but talking to most people my age, there’s only one that’s the real reason: the economics are terrible for watching a movie. The tickets are averaging $20-30 per person around where I live. In 2018, the same movies cost $7-13. Parking and food push the costs even higher. All for a couple of hours of entertainment. I can watch the same movie for $20 when it comes out on DVD. I…

If you're a regular movie goer, you can get a monthly pass for a little over $20 at the big theater chains. It pays off if you see 2 movies a month, or just 1 if it's IMAX.

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Post by nickthegreek »

darth_avocado wrote: post #19

I’ve seen a lot of explanations for this, but talking to most people my age, there’s only one that’s the real reason: the economics are terrible for watching a movie. The tickets are averaging $20-30 per person around where I live. In 2018, the same movies cost $7-13. Parking and food push the costs even higher. All for a couple of hours of entertainment. I can watch the same movie for $20 when it comes out on DVD. I…

Movies are coming to streaming faster than they ever have as well. Its hard to want to go see a mediocre movie at high prices when it will be available in 60-90 days. When I was a kid, the VHS wouldn't appear for 6months to a year.

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Post by grugagag »

201984 wrote: post #26
darth_avocado wrote: post #19

I’ve seen a lot of explanations for this, but talking to most people my age, there’s only one that’s the real reason: the economics are terrible for watching a movie. The tickets are averaging $20-30 per person around where I live. In 2018, the same movies cost $7-13. Parking and food push the costs even higher. All for a couple of hours of entertainment. I can watch the same movie for $20 when it comes out on DVD. I…

If you're a regular movie goer, you can get a monthly pass for a little over $20 at the big theater chains. It pays off if you see 2 movies a month, or just 1 if it's IMAX.

Yeah, but how many people do that?

Re: After Furiosa flops, Hollywood could be facing a biblically disastrous summer

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Post by tempnow987 »

david-gpu wrote: post #14
autokad wrote: post #2

kind of unfortunate, I heard Furiosa was actually a good movie. though, I personally haven't been to the movies in about 6 years or so.

> personally haven't been to the movies in about 6 years or so Why is that? Is it the outrageous ticket prices? The 20 minutes of commercials and trailers before the movie even starts? The people who not only don't turn off their phones but actively use them during the movie and even make phone calls? Or is it the loudness of the theater that tries to hide the noise made by inconsiderate people?

I was a heavy movie goer (no TV at home!) and used to go to a ton of movies - sometimes more than one in a day.

Some things that are tough

Totally ignoring patron behavior

A group of older teens comes in, phones on the entire movie on bright, talking, cursing, just making a ruckus (maybe on purpose even) a row or two in front. If you are trying to watch a movie with your 5 year old kid (what I loved as a kid) this is no good!

Fights / robberies in the mall / shopping area itself. Again, not the right vibe for kids to be part of and again no consequence / action.

I seriously remember going to packed theatres with a totally cool / fun vibe as a kid - everyone pretty pro-social in terms of behavior. My parents would buy the ticket and leave us there. The other folks were basically a positive to the shared experience. The only issue was sometimes talking and the ushers would walk you out if you talked too much.

I wear earplugs for the loudness - which is ridiculous.

We ended up getting a projector for home. We can curl up (with kids and family as relevant) and have a better experience?

So question: When does it come out on streaming?

Also a hack if you still love movies. Go on a total off-beat time if you can a few weeks after opening. The attendance falls off hugely. But can still be a tiny bit hit or miss.

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